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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-09-27 06:43 pm

[ SECRET POST #2095 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2095 ⌋

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luxshine: (stormy night)

[personal profile] luxshine 2012-09-28 06:31 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, our cables got crossed somewhere.

The problem is that, it's an amazing adaptation of the novel. Usually with King novels, I have no problem separating novel from movie. Here? The characterization is perfect (Ending non-withstanding), the casting is excellent (Even when I wouldn't have cast Norm as a PoC to avoid any misunderstandings, or would've probably cast more PoCs for other characters), and the imagery of what the monsters look like is just right... and then the ending is like an absolute curve ball. So, it's hard to me to accept David and his last solution.

Because he also promises his son that in the novel, but there he's very clear that he's going to keep them all alive. So it's a quite jarring change from the original.

Finally, well, if you plan to read the novel (Or any King novel, for that matter), let me tell you that no, the army is not that effective in it. But there's no plucky band of heroes saving the day either.

Now that I think of it, King rarely gets with the army in his novels. The only other one I can see right now in my desk (yes, I'm a King- nut) are Dreamcatcher and The Stand, and in both the attitude is very much : The army, on itself, is quite effective and capable. It's just that the idiots in charge don't give all the information to the grunts who NEED the information in order to be effective.

(And if you like military being effective in horror stories, I recommend World War Z. The first act might put you out a little, but it picks up fast)
ariakas: (Default)

[personal profile] ariakas 2012-09-28 06:38 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah my bad. I should have read that more closely before getting all up in your grill.

Well I retract my statement then to "butthurt or has read the novel and disagrees with that characterization" lol. I mean that's totally reasonable. I can't stand OOCness either. If it was character-breaking for David to do it, then that's lame.

King (seems?) pretty leftist, so I'm not surprised he's not big on the military. I'm pretty left myself, so I don't mind, I just find it grating when they're cartoonishly incompetent. That's the stereotype, sure, but I don't think you'd want to count on it if you were ever up against the army.

(I've read World War Z, but it rubbed me the wrong way for an entirely different reason: why is virtually everybody who matters after the apocalypse a dude? As I recall, there's one female pilot and one mother figure and a huuuuuuge deal is made about how "unfeminine" the pilot is. Why would a male civilian scrub do better in the zombie apoc than an equally out of shape, unused to fighting woman? Bleh.)
luxshine: (stormy night)

[personal profile] luxshine 2012-09-28 06:48 am (UTC)(link)
No problem, the good thing is that we found the right thread :)

And yes, OOC if you know the novel. And not just for David, but for everyone in that van. Hell, I wanted Ollie to come back from the dead just to rag on them :)

King is very leftist, yes. But he also tries to be a fair writer, so he tends to go against the powers in charge, rather than against the grunts. Again, the Stand. Sure, the army lets out a horribly deadly disease... but the ones containing it are the ones who have no idea what is it. So of course there were slips and mistakes.

(MMm... I seem to remember more women being interviewed, there's the woman who had been a child in the Canada camps and now is working killing frozen zombies, and I'm sure the russian soldier is a woman, but you're right, now that I think about it. There's a lot of men on the novel. mmm... What about the Newsflesh trilogy? I didn't quite like the last book of the trilogy, but the army as efficiently scary bad guys there are amazing and the first book is very good)
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[personal profile] ariakas 2012-09-28 07:14 am (UTC)(link)
Hrm I just looked over the chapter list of World War Z and you're right about the Russian soldier, but besides her and the pilot and the mother everyone's a dude. There's a total of 23 interviewees, so having 3 of them women really rubbed me the wrong fucking way. I certainly hope women are more than 13% of the zombie apocalypse survivors or we're in for some trouble. Moreover, giving the tough chick issues with her gender was really lame.

I have not read the Newsflesh trilogy, I will give it a try! After I read The Mist.