[ SECRET POST #2101 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2101 ⌋

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Comments

[stainless]

How sympathetic was Ennis supposed to be, though? I thought part of the point was that he was a horrible person because he was so emotionally stunted he couldn't be anything else -- and personally I'd say part of that's internalized homophobia and part of it's norms of masculinity and part of it's just who the character was.

I had complex reactions to him -- sometimes compassion, sometimes disgust -- and I thought that was intended.

It sounds like from what others are saying that maybe I made the character complex in my mind because my imagination is a better writer than whoever penned the script, though.

I hope not, though it does kind of give me superpowers. *glowy halo*

[(Anonymous)]

It sounds like from what others are saying that maybe I made the character complex in my mind because my imagination is a better writer than whoever penned the script, though.

That's probably it, to be honest. It's even worse reading the original story. Anne Proulx gives SMeyer a run for her money.

[stainless]

I liked the story, too. Really loved how sparse it was.

I'm now feeling like I'm either a genius or crazy.

[(Anonymous)]

No you're just reading the movie correctly and more intelligent than the people with whom you're talking about it here. Anyone who compares Annie Proulux with Smeyer is a moron.

[stainless]

Thank you. I was feeling like I was in Bizarro World. "Doesn't deserve the Pulitzer" is one thing. Comparisons to SMeyer? That just seems like anon has an enormous axe to grind.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with everything you've said.

[stainless]

I thought the story was pretty impressive, personally. Generally I find stuff published in The New Yorker to be unbearably pretentious tripe. Brokeback seemed like an attempt to capture a little bit of the soul of a region and community and its outsiders, and I liked that about it.

I could see how the dialect could be annoying, but that's a stylistic choice, not a sign of a hack. And maybe I never paid enough attention to Twilight but I didn't get the feeling SMeyer was trying to capture the soul of a region the way Proulx was, so they really don't seem comparable at all even if Proulx is a bad writer. (Which maybe she is; I liked Brokeback but it may be unusually good. Or her other stories may be so stylistically indistinguishable from it that once you've read one, you've read them all.)

[(Anonymous)]

Protip: You might be taken more seriously if you bothered to spell her first name right.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, it wasn't that bad. Or maybe I'm just taking this in the context of it being one of the first GLBT stories I read.

[(Anonymous)]

Probably. I read Proulx's story as well as the first 15 pages of Twilight and IMO, it really was that bad.

[kallanda_lee]

To me the problem is: it seems that the movie doesn't go far enough if they wanted to go with the "repressed douche-bag Ennis" story. Which, to be fair, is how I felt about most of of the movie. They brushed over certain subjects, alluding at them, but never quite daring to fully push them through.

Though maybe I'm just a not-so-subtle person in generaland my opinion is not scared, of course. My bf loved the movie, interestingly enough.

My personally issue with Ennis is that I dislike cowards and liars, and sadly he was both.

[stainless]

He was both. And quite unlikeable too.

[(Anonymous)]

You are right about Ennis, fwiw. The one's complaining that he's dysfunctional are giving the film a very cliche, shallow reading. Too much yaoi has warped their brains, I reckon.

[stainless]

Thank you! <3 I kept thinking "you can't win with people." If it's a yaoi-type portrayal of a strong, silent top for whom things work out exaggeratedly well in the end, it's unrealistic and cliched and no one could live like that. If it's a realistic portrayal of a very aloof and closed-off person who has that kind of personality for real and actually shows how that can be harmful, well, he's "still a seme" so people still hate him.

Iiiiii dunno. I mean, yeah, I have some problems with yaoi semes too. But I would think Ennis would make these people happy -- because they could point to the depiction of him and go LOOK, SEE, IT MAKES FOR A DYSFUNCTIONAL JERKFACE.

But no.

[(Anonymous)]

You know, when damn near everyone else is reading the same thing that's different from you, it may just be your version that's seriously warped. Just sayin'.