[ SECRET POST #2103 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2103 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Derren Brown - Trick of the Mind]


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04.
[Quantum Leap]


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06.
[Necessary Roughness]


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07. http://imageshack.us/a/img811/3861/tumblrm9siebsjna1rym8lc.jpg
[nudity which is possibly sexual? / illustrated]


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09.
[Team Starkid]


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10.
[Teen Wolf]


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11.
[Evangelion]


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12.
[High School of the Dead]


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[ ----- SPOILERY SECRETS AHEAD ---- ]












15. [SPOILERS for Teen Wolf]



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16. [SPOILERS for Everything Burns/Journey Into Mystery]



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17. [SPOILERS for To Boldly Flee]



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18. [SPOILERS for Lord of the Rings]



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19. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]



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[ -----TRIGGERY SECRETS AHEAD ---- ]













20. [WARNING for rape]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #300.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah...Tolkien wrote in a letter that Gollum was one of the great tragedies in the story and if he had been treated differently by Sam Gollum would have deliberately taken the ring and thrown himself into Mount Doom on purpose.

That's one of the things that bothered me about the movies how they just made Gollum straight-out evil and Sam purely selfless in the last movie. They even took out the scene where Gollum looks like a "sad, weary hobbit" and is about to stroke Frodo when Sam wakes up and yells at him, and Gollum reverts back to his old self. Or the line at the end where Frodo tells Sam that they should forgive Gollum because the whole thing would have gone kaput without him at the end.

[(Anonymous)]

Idk, I thought there were some scenes where we were supposed to sympathize with Gollum and where it was clear that Sam was overreacting/misinterpreting, or treating him badly, and the part where he falls off the edge, when he's holding the ring and looking happy for a second, I felt super sorry for him at that moment and I think we were meant to. I do wish they'd kept that line about "I couldn't have done it without him" in there though.

[(Anonymous)]

In the second movie yeah but in the third one they pretty much had him being completely evil. Even threw in a scene where he frames Sam for eating the lembas crackers.

Andy Serkis even wrote about in his book how Gollum's character changed between the movies. I.E. whereas in TTT Smeagol was fundamentally good but suffering from his "addiction", in RotK Smeagol was just as bad as Gollum, except he would "play the victim" to get his way.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, that was also after the misunderstood betrayal with Faramir, so Smeagol really didn't have a reason to try and redeem himself anymore.

[arcadiaego]

Er, they made Sam basically a comic idiot and were obsessed with Gollum.

[(Anonymous)]

So, nothing wrong, then?

[truxillogical]

They even took out the scene where Gollum looks like a "sad, weary hobbit" and is about to stroke Frodo when Sam wakes up and yells at him, and Gollum reverts back to his old self.

That was one thing I absolutely loved about the musical. Michael Therriault gave a very nuanced, touching portrayal of Gollum, and they even added on to the scene a bit--it was one of the best parts of the whole play.

I hated that they put that lembas scene in there. WTH, PJ?

[(Anonymous)]

Can you go into more details or show a YouTube clip (if it's available)?

[truxillogical]

Man, there used to be a clip online of the "Gollum/Smeagol" song where he literally fights with himself over the idea of killing Frodo and Sam, and I'm just kicking myself for not saving it, because it seems to have vanished into the aether in the past four years. The best I can find is the song itself here, but it loses a lot without Thierrault's physical performance. He sings little snatches of the hobbit's song, and there's one point when he breaks down in tears where he was holding Sting to his own throat instead of trying to kill Frodo like Gollum kept suggesting, but, yeah...just vocals on that. And it's...well, just a wee bit melodramatic.

This is a nifty little bit where Thierrault talks about what he tried to put into the role.

[(Anonymous)]

I think they explained that scene as they had to break the Frodo-Sam team for "reasons" after they gave it such a bashing with Sam-hates-on-Gollum tension.

[nursethalia]

Interesting! It's been at least five years since I read the books, I will have to dig them back out and explore this concept of Gollum's potential redemption, because I seemed to have forgotten it!