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[ SECRET POST #2103 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2103 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Derren Brown - Trick of the Mind]

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[Quantum Leap]

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[Necessary Roughness]

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07. http://imageshack.us/a/img811/3861/tumblrm9siebsjna1rym8lc.jpg
[nudity which is possibly sexual? / illustrated]

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[Team Starkid]

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[Teen Wolf]

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[Evangelion]

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[High School of the Dead]

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15. [SPOILERS for Teen Wolf]

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16. [SPOILERS for Everything Burns/Journey Into Mystery]

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17. [SPOILERS for To Boldly Flee]

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18. [SPOILERS for Lord of the Rings]

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19. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]

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20. [WARNING for rape]

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If I'm being honest, I just don't care much for her. I want to like her. Like, I'll read the lyrics to a song and think, yeah, that sounds cool, but then hear it, and no, just can't stand the way it sounds. I get a very forced wackiness/maniacal pixie vibe from her. So, I dunno, maybe it's just her persona I don't like.

But she makes him disgustingly happy, and that is adorable. Although there could be something said about miserable writers being more productive....

(just kidding!)

It seems that way to me too. I know she really has dealt with mental illness, so I shouldn't feel this way, but it seems almost to me like she's trying to glamorize or sell it. That makes me uncomfortable. Like, through the county of squick and looking over into trigger.

Edited 2012-10-05 23:40 (UTC)

Have you heard any of Emilie Autumn's music? I sometimes get the glamorizing mental illness vibe from Amanda Palmer, but much more so from Emilie Autumn.

Yes, and I feel the same way. I kind of wonder whether AFP made it cool and then EA did it.

To me it all reads much less like reclamation and much more like sketchy Victorian stereotypes of swooning "invalid" women.

THEN there's AFP's "Evelyn Evelyn" thing. Which is pretty much... a version of minstrelsy that affects my people.

Uh, NO.

Edited 2012-10-06 01:55 (UTC)

sketchy Victorian stereotypes of swooning "invalid" women.

This. With AP, I get the impression there are more... raw emotions behind her songs. Say, compare Girl Anachronism to Opheliac. EA mostly feels like pandering to a certain audience.

The woman can play a hell of an electric violin, though.

re Evelyn Evelyn: yeeeaaaah... that was... no. That did not need to happen.

Edited 2012-10-06 01:59 (UTC)

I really, really don't like Girl Anachronism, for the same reason. I have BEEN in a full body cast and HAD bone injuries in my hips. What AP describes is nothing like it.

I don't think she should be forbidden from drawing parallels, especially since mental health issues can also be considered disabilities. Still, it feels appropriating to the point that song kind of triggers me.

She doesn't seem to acknowledge the disability community (or at least the non-mental health community) as anything but a plaything.

Edited 2012-10-06 02:11 (UTC)

I just reread your previous comment - THEN there's AFP's "Evelyn Evelyn" thing. Which is pretty much... a version of minstrelsy that affects my people. For some reason, all I could think of massive Decepticon saying, "Let me play you the song of my people... IT'S NOT THIS."

Since we've got two musicians right here who don't acknowledge the disability community well, do you know of any bands that do it right?

I just reread your previous comment - THEN there's AFP's "Evelyn Evelyn" thing. Which is pretty much... a version of minstrelsy that affects my people. For some reason, all I could think of massive Decepticon saying, "Let me play you the song of my people... IT'S NOT THIS."

Hahahahahhaaha. That's great! THIS IS NOT THE SONG OF MY PEOPLE.

As far as bands that get it right, hmmm... I'm trying to think and not thinking of anyone who even tackles it, really. But then, I'm tired.

"Let me play you the song of my people... IT'S NOT THIS."

*snerk*

There's one song by Fred Small called the Talking Wheelchair Blues that does it pretty well, at least in my opinion.

I don't know any songs that reflect the experiences of those who have less visible physical disabilities. Anyone here have any recommendations?

Spasticus Autisticus by Ian Dury and the Blockheads.
A song written by a man who suffered from disabilities following contracting Polio as a protest song against what Dury saw as patronising disability charity events.
Banned by the BBC and currently enjoying a revival due to the current UK political issues with ATOS.

I know she really has dealt with mental illness, so I shouldn't feel this way, but it seems almost to me like she's trying to glamorize or sell it.

Having been mentally ill totally doesn't automatically mean someone won't do that. It's actually a major coping technique of several currently mentally ill people I know - and (as another mentally ill person) it irks me as much from them as from AP.

But then, from word one, AP read to me like that Annoyingly and Deliberately Quirky In Your Face Girl I knew in highschool. I was sort of . . . surprised when people were so shocked at her behaviour with the Evelyn Evelyn crap - it seemed totally predictable and in character to me, because people like that are ALWAYS LIKE THAT. And if you're not aware, it can seem really cool and empowering until their shit hits YOU in the face and then they look at you in disgust because you dared to complain.

*cough*

Not that I have . . . . Past Issues with this kind of person, or anything.

Having been mentally ill totally doesn't automatically mean someone won't do that. It's actually a major coping technique of several currently mentally ill people I know - and (as another mentally ill person) it irks me as much from them as from AP.

Yeah. I myself have PTSD, so it's not like I can't talk to this, either -- but I've never been institutionalized or hospitalized, so I didn't want to sound like I could weigh in on that. I can't.

But then, from word one, AP read to me like that Annoyingly and Deliberately Quirky In Your Face Girl I knew in highschool. I was sort of . . . surprised when people were so shocked at her behaviour with the Evelyn Evelyn crap - it seemed totally predictable and in character to me, because people like that are ALWAYS LIKE THAT.

Yeah, that's how she seemed to me. I'd heard so much about the Dresden Dolls' amazingness and then I was just like "...this is it? This person seems like a whiny drama queen if ever I saw one." I remember this one little thing she did where she was dissing her (former?) record company and derisively rattling off the names of metal bands, like "at least you've still got... Cradle of Filth!" Who happen to be one of my favorite bands.

I mean I'm not saying she doesn't get to dis record companies acting shitty, or mock COF (she's in good company there! Most people don't like them, and they're not as good any more anyhow.) But at the same time I was... not impressed. It was like "I'm so SUPERIOR to these other artists." I just wanted to tell her to get the hell over herself and that surely someone as skilled with words as she could snark brilliantly at a record company without taking potshots at other artists.

And if you're not aware, it can seem really cool and empowering until their shit hits YOU in the face and then they look at you in disgust because you dared to complain.

That's exactly it. I listen to her and I feel face-hit. I understand why others identify with it and I'd never censor or condemn it, but I feel kind of... spat on, so I'd rather avoid it, personally.

I know that spouses are not some kind of mutant single unit, but that's kind of why I've avoided Gaiman. I'd like to get into his stuff, I hear it's good, but somehow I keep getting hung up wondering if, as her closest and dearest, he ever notices this and tells her maybe to cool it? Or is he the type to not notice or care, too?

I don't know him well enough to be sure, but it makes me leery by association kind of, if that makes sense. That's probably why I didn't have nearly as negative a reaction to the secret as some others did.

Late but...From what I've seen of Gaiman, he actually seems pretty chill and laid back for the most part? Though, judging from what I read a while back, I suspect that anything to do with mental illness [unless it was one of his characters] would probably not be brought up publicly. He's point blank said that there are some things that Aren't For Public Discourse, and [from the context] that's probably one of the things that would fall under that.

I can't say how it'd be handled in his work, since the only thing I've read he's worked on is Good Omens, and he's admitted [...somewhere] that Prachett had a stronger influence on that than he did.

Honestly, as someone who used to adore the guy and still considers him an important early influence, I . . . .side-eye him a lot re: AP. He sure as shit doesn't need my approval and whatever makes him happy is what he should do, bar actually hurting people, but I can honestly say it certainly helped to cool me on him.

But then, AP also ran hard and fast into one of my other knee-jerk things, which was sort of early on Declaring Herself Spokeswoman for Alternative-Culture Women/that kind of thing, which will pretty much always get a HOLD ON THERE SUGAR-TITS I DIDN'T SAY YOU COULD SPEAK FOR ME.

So I dunno. I consider her badly behaved, juvenile, egotistic and annoying. She's still got one or two songs I like, because frankly the ability to make good art and the ability to be a good person are not mutually interdependent skills, but eeeeyeah.

Her stunt with the lack-of-pay for musicians also didn't endear her to me. I teach music, and one of the things a good teacher sends their kids out into the world with is "anyone short of, like, David fucking Bowie or U2 or whatever, who offers you a chance to do something for them for free in the name of 'exposure' is swindling you. ALWAYS. GET. PAID."

But then, AP also ran hard and fast into one of my other knee-jerk things, which was sort of early on Declaring Herself Spokeswoman for Alternative-Culture Women/that kind of thing, which will pretty much always get a HOLD ON THERE SUGAR-TITS I DIDN'T SAY YOU COULD SPEAK FOR ME.

Yeah, that.

And like -- I just went to her website and listened to her new song and just -- that whole manic pixie thing is just -- I don't like the tempo. Which doesn't mean it's bad art, it just doesn't work for me. And I thought the lyrics seemed pretty juvenile. Like

but i would kill to make you feel i don’t mean kill someone for real i couldn’t do that, it is wrong but i can say it in a song a song a song

it's so tell not show-y. And I don't think show don't tell is sacred, but that's just plain "I'm singing about how much I want you to feel for me. I wouldn't kill anyone, of course, but I felt like singing about killing as a metaphor."

It's like the interview describing the lyrics, except... it's the lyrics. Augh.

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