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Last night at 1:30 AM a student was shot and killed by campus police at my college. The official report is that the student was naked and unarmed when he went to the campus station and began beating at the windows until one of the officers came out. Then he repeated attacked the cop, who fired one shot into his chest. He got up after being shot and attempted to attack the officer again before falling to the ground and "expiring".

To me this sounds like excessive force mixed with drunken/drugged stupidity that ended in a tragedy. One thing that bothers me is that the student was only 18 and 140 lbs, so it really shouldn't have been difficult to physically subdue him if the officer had only called for backup. They were right outside of the station!

Anyway, everyone here is either screaming 'Police Brutality!' or 'PCP psycho!' and it's a huge shitfest. I thought I would ask for some impartial discussion from my fandom friends, even though obviously this is beyond off topic.

Sounds like drugged person attacking a cop, which can result in excessive strength and brutality than a normal 18 140lbs person would exert.

The only thing I question, which is not something in this case in particular but in police and military practice in general, is why always shoot the chest/to kill? Why not shoot him in the leg or some other place that would hopefully subdue yet less likely to kill?

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Because aiming for center mass is the easiest target to hit when in a life threatening situation. Aiming for an arm or leg - especially when the person is moving rapidly and easily be a miss and who knows where that bullet might end up.

The torso is the easiest place to aim because it has the most surface area. Limbs make for thin, frequently moving targets.

if you're shooting, you should be shooting to kill

if you think they could have subdued the guy, you should be arguing that they shouldn't have shot him at all. if they're going to be shooting, they should be shooting to kill, first because that's what guns are for, and second because, practically speaking, it's incredibly hard to shoot someone in the leg IRL.

What everyone else said, and also shots to the limbs are actually more not less likely to be fatal.

Limbs are packed with blood vessels, bullets often 'skip' along bone (famous case of a cop here who was shot in the wrist at a ninety degree angle, and had the bullet come out his other armpit), and the torso actually has some dead space.

Uhhhh. The fuck? That is just one massively fucked up situation in general. Wouldn't be surprised if the kid was on bath salts. They're endemic around my area, and they essentially turn people into the Left 4 Dead zombies.

Seriously, these people on bath salts turn into fucking psychotic doucheholes. One of the people near my town was running around the highway hijacking cars, then crashing them, getting out, hijacking more cars and crashing them. It was insane.

Then there was in the guy in Ontario who was trying to eat a dog alive in the middle of the street.

Law enforcement has been very very twitchy about these guys.

That is some insane shit, my friend. O.O

They haven't released a toxicology report, so we have no clue if the kid was on anything, or if he was psychotic and off his meds, or just realllly drunk.

I do hope that this was an isolated incident, and there isn't like... a drug ring trafficking that shit on campus or something. :(

I hadn't even thought of that! Eeeeesh.

>.>

<.<

*not walking alone at night for a while*

Maybe I'm just a suspicious bastard, and maybe the once-every-two-weeks student victimization bullshit has put me on edge, but I don't walk anywhere without a knife in this city.

Also don't walk alone at night ever, it's a bad idea. :( What would I do without my FS BFF if you got jumped.

Mostly because having a weapon on your person = planning to do something with that weapon, at least down here. Especially when police are involved. Honestly I think I could be shot in the street and the police would say that I was obviously starting a fight because I was carrying a knife. >:/

OH KK, I WON'T EVER LEAVE YOUUUU <3

Seriously, in Alabama? Jesus, I thought they would have golf clapped you for that. Or at least carry a utility knife with a good sturdy blade in it, if nothing else. Like a Leatherman or a Swiss Army knife. Useful and deadly!

I mean, my city has a pretty sizable crime rate, and so far I haven't been frisked for weapons, so you'll probably be okay.

I HOPE NOT. I might have to come down there and stab a bitch elsewise. Wow that sounded like an abusive stalker. Uhm. Well, you know what I mean.

It's funny, because in the country areas, yeah knives, guns, etc are very common, but downtown (our ghetto-ish area) and in suburban areas it's verrry easy to get in trouble with the law for the smallest things.

I KNOW WHAT YOU MEANT. I would also stab you if you left me! :D

That really sucks. I mean, you should still get some kind of self defense something, as long as it's not a Rambo knife you carry around bare stuck through your belt. Even steel toed shoes would be fine.

I'm so glad we understand each other so well. :D

Don't carry a fucking knife, jesus.

I've actually been trained by LEOs, and can almost guarantee I'm taller and sturdier then you.

I would get repeatedly fucked up, because if you pull a knife you're getting cut up - especially if the other person knows what they're doing. And it automatically escalates everything the minute it enters play.

In fact I urge you to see if you can get yourself on a self defence course, and see exactly how this would actually play out.

Edited 2012-10-07 00:56 (UTC)

Whoa, take it easy. It's not like I'm pulling knives out on anybody who looks at me cockeyed. Or hoping that I can win in a knife fight.

I'm going to say here that our experiences are fundamentally different, but it's not like what I do should be immediately discounted. I've never been assaulted by someone looking to rape or mug me. Maybe I am somewhat misguided in my ability to defend myself because of my dearth in that area, I don't know.

But the experiences I have had have dictated that I always have something on me to a.) defend myself, or b.) deter whatever is attacking me. The knife is there for backup, not so that I can whip it out every time I feel threatened.

um if a dude is coming at you and you brandish a sudden knife he will probably fuck off without touching you. if you know how to wield it properly not a whole lot of attackers are going to try and wrestle it from you. if someone is coming at you you're going to get hurt regardless unless you defend yourself, and intimidation with a weapon is a huge factor. no self defense course would ever suggest going out unprotected.

That's so weird to me. I live in Vermont, and NOT having a knife on you is weird. When I started work, my boss saw my knife and I was like "uh oh!" but then he asked to see it and showed me his. Also one of my coworkers used to keep a gun on his desk to shoot whatever small lawn-tunneling animals were in the yard.

It's weird to remember that this shit doesn't fly in other areas. And creepy in your situation with police. Yikes.

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SLEEPING WITH A KNIFE TONIGHT.

Why weren't you before?

BECAUSE COPS

NO EXCUSE

GUNS ARE FUNS

FAIR ENOUGH

CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE TONIGHT

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