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⌈ Secret Post #2104 ⌋

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Comments

[hoggle2807]

Am I the only one who doesn't understand why people keep calling this show "campy and ridiculous"? I mean, I get that you'd think it was ridiculous if you think the concept of werewolves is ridiculous, but otherwise? ... It seems to take itself pretty seriously to me.

[velvet_mace]

Eh, it is campy. I like that it's campy. Campy just means that you don't think too hard about how this would really go down if it were real life, because if you did then there'd be a lot more horror involved.

Campy means you can get away with having a character being wacked in the head with an engine part and tossed unconscious into a dumpster and not have the next scene take place in the hospital or the morgue, with a lot of people deadly serious about attempted murder and Stiles never, ever forgiving Erica.

Let's face it, if it weren't campy, the first time Scott chased Stiles around the locker room with his claws out would have ended with Scott being shot to death by Stiles dad, not Stiles sticking around to help his friend learn how to control himself, because shit, that would be scary.

TL;DR Campy keeps things light and fun rather than dark and stomach churning.

[(Anonymous)]

Good description of campy!

[hoggle2807]

No, campy is not "somebody gets hit in the head to the point of unconsciousness but doesn't end up in a hospital," unless we're calling every show that doesn't strictly adhere to the confines of reality "camp."

Camp has a very real, widely-accepted meaning, which is to be willfully stylized in an extravagant/over-the-top manner. Dark Shadows is camp. A lot of Will Ferrell movies are camp. Monty Python and Rocky Horror Picture Show are camp.

Teen Wolf is not camp.

[valenciapilgrim]

I agree that the show is not campy - I think that people just over-use the term for lack of a better one. I do really like the show, but I think it has a bit of a problem with tone in that one minute something dark and problematic will happen that seems to have huge consequences, and then the next everything will be all light and fun and "woo! We're just teenagers who want to blow off some steam!"

Specifically, I have problems with the parts where Allison's dad threatens to kill Scott if he and Allison stay together, and he seems REALLY serious about it (I mean he is part of an organization that makes it their job to harass werewolves like Derek who have NEVER done ANYTHING to them), and then then next minute Scott and Allison are screwing around and giggling - it just seems like a weird shift in tone to me. And when he threatens Scott like that, why isn't Allison like "Do it, asshole, I'll testify at your trial! Try telling the jury he was a werewolf, that'll be an awesome defense." I mean, why isn't she like "he's a PERSON, dad, you can't just go around killing people, there are like laws and stuff." I just don't really get how her family seems to be BLATANTLY raciest, yet at the same time it doesn't seem like they are supposed to be complete villains.

[velvet_mace]

Dude, Teen wolf is a live-action cartoon. It's funny! I laughed at the Derek in the Pool with Stile's scene. And oh god, when Derek runs in wolf form, that's fucking hilarious. It's wonderfully cheesy and low budget and full of silly.

Yes the dark Shadows was camp. It was also comedy. Yeah, Rocky Horror was camp. But not all campy things are comedy. They just have to be goofy and cheesy, which Teen Wolf is. Sometimes Supernatural is campy. Monty Python, on the other hand, is not camp. It's surreal.

[(Anonymous)]

OP. I don't think werewolves or other supernatural elements necessarily doom a show to campiness, no. But Teen Wolf... alright, I'll preface this by saying that a) I've watched the entire show through once, in the space of two days, and b) a lot of this was early in the morning when I was about to drop off, and so therefore it's possible that mainlining TW while under the effects of sleep deprivation has led to some misunderstandings on my part. So, that all being said: sometimes the things that happen on this show are so weird and there's no explanation. Like I don't think it was ever explained how the actual fuck the mechanics of Peter's resurrection worked or why Lydia's immunity was so crucial to his plan. Am I just supposed to accept "Yep I totally planned this -- oh you want specifics on how this was possible? Nope sorry I value specifics even less than Mitt Romney"? Or I also still don't know why Jackson went out of his mind after Derek scratched him. I can guess that he got some wolfish qualities without actually turning fully, but that's the kind of thing where it would be nice if it weren't so open for interpretation. The whole thing where Scott discovered Deaton knew about werewolves was explained eventually, but until then it was super frustrating because Scott seemed like he didn't even care how Deaton knew and I was like ARGH ANY REAL PERSON WOULD BE GOING THROUGH THIS GUY'S TRASH OUT OF CURIOSITY AND/OR FEAR! When the Argents kidnapped Stiles, there was this enormous buildup for what kind of shit was gonna go down -- Scott and Isaac were preparing to track him down, the sheriff was flipping out, Gerard was beating Stiles into the floor, I was getting my metaphorical popcorn ready for an exciting search-and-rescue plot, and then the big payoff waaaaas Stiles showing up in his house with a bruise on one cheek because they'd let him go. That was certainly not the first I had found myself clutching my face and moaning what is haaaappeniiiiing in response to events on this show.

Also the music is so dramatic so much of the time. :| Please calm the fuck down, music, nothing dramatic is EVEN HAPPENING.

Also also, the engages in blatant misdirection for its ~big reveals~. Take that whole thing in S1 where Scott's unconscious boss disappears from the car in the moments before the alpha appears. So then naturally the audience is like, OMGWTF IT'S HIS BOSS I KNEW IT!! Only then... it isn't! It's Derek's comatose uncle! And personally instead of being shocked in a good way, I was like, "Wait -- the fuck?!" Because if Deaton wasn't the alpha, why'd he haul ass away from the car? I know he knows about werewolves, but why'd he act so incredibly sketchy when the sheriff was showing him the CCTV captures of the alpha transforming? The same pattern repeated itself when they were trying to trick us into thinking that Lydia was the kanima. That kind of trickery drags me out of a story; it feels like the writers are just desperately throwing shit out there instead of weaving a narrative where the surprise at the end is gratifying as well as shocking; it's cheap!

Anyhoo.

[(Anonymous)]

Jackson – Derek clawed in the back of the neck while sort of dying from the wolf’s bane bullet. Werewolves can share memories this way (Peter does it with Scott later) and wolf’s bane (or aconite poisoning as the doctor calls it) can cause hallucinations in humans.

And Deaton disappearing from the back of the car – um, Derek just knocked him out, tied him up, and kidnapped him thinking he was the alpha. Even if I was sure Derek would listen to reason, I’m not sure I’d stick around.

As for Scott not being curious about Deaton, there’s a lot of stuff Scott willfully ignores.

My best guess on Peter’s resurrection is that since werewolves can do the memory transfer thing, possibly Lydia’s immunity allowed Peter to leave some of his consciousness in her. That plus wolf’s bane plus an alpha’s blood plus the magic of the Worm Moon somehow equals resurrection.

[mekkio]

I don't think it's campy either when you compare to actual campy, supernatural shows like True Blood. I just think the campy label comes from people who don't regularly watch horror so all the blood and gore may seem campy because of the excess of it. Like in the second season there was a pile of bodies in every episode. Again, to someone who doesn't watch horror that can seem over the top but for someone who does, that's just how horror works. Blood and gore everywhere.