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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-10-07 03:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #2105 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2105 ⌋

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velvet_mace: (Default)

[personal profile] velvet_mace 2012-10-07 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe you just identify more with women, so when it's a guy in the position you can enjoy it better without coloring the situation with the way you would react and feel if you were him. I don't see that as misogynistic at all.

OP

(Anonymous) 2012-10-08 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Actually I kind of feel the opposite, now that I've thought about it a bit. I identify strongly with Tony, and what intrigueing said about him being an actual developed character with a reason to feel that way about Bruce/the Hulk makes sense, because I think that in a lot of Beauty-and-the-Beast examples, it seems like the girl accepts the guy because...she's a woman? She's the love interest? Because he needs someone and for some reason she's supposed to do what he wants? So I *can't* relate to her or understand why she feels that way, whereas with Tony I can.

Maybe it's not as closely related to gender roles as I thought, maybe it's more because "woman" tends to correlate with "poorly developed character"...
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[personal profile] velvet_mace 2012-10-08 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm, I get what you mean. When a female character does something she does it because she's a woman first and an individual making her own life choices second. But when a man does something he does so because he's making his own life choices and there's no expectation that he stands up as a representative of all his gender and how they'd react.

Yeah, that is kinda misogynistic. I think loading up a character with the expectation that they positively represent their entire group rather than just expecting them to be well thought through and interesting is a good way to make sure that no female character can possibly live up to your expectations.