[ SECRET POST #2111 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2111 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

DA

AFAIK we say it for like "tucked into bed" or "tuck in your shirt." But maybe not for eating food?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that would be the other meaning that I wasn't familiar with, lol.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it might be regional. My family (2nd gen Italian on one side and 4th&8th gen American on the other) says "tuck in!" all the time when food's served, and "bloody hell" is definitely in me and my friends' vocabularies. Given the Potter phenome I wouldn't be at all surprised if the up-and-coming 20-somethings have quite a bit of Brit-slang, too.

[(Anonymous)]

This is honestly the thing that bothers me most of all - specifically, the use of exogenous swear words.

You cannot use swear words naturally and well, to their full effectiveness, unless you are deeply comfortable with them, unless you're familiar with their sound, their feel, their connotation, their import. Unless you're comfortable enough with them to roll them off the tongue in a moment of shock. Unless you know them enough to completely own them. Swear words that are used from a foreign culture are just never effective. It ALWAYS comes off like pretension, because the effectiveness of swear words comes from their naturalness. Agh, it really bothers me so much. If you're going to swear, you should use swears that you're good at using. Swearing is a minor art. Let's have some damn respect for it.

[(Anonymous)]

In your opinion. I have American friends who use British swear words perfectly fluently, just as I can say that such and such "sucks" quite happily. I think you are unnecessarily overcomplicating matters.

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[(Anonymous)]

Sure. I agree that it is possible in theory to become accustomed to the use of swear words which are not native to you, over a long period of time. It's definitely possible to use them so that they don't seem forced and put-on and unnatural. I just think that in almost all actually-existing cases, they don't seem natural, they seem forced. It nearly always puts me on edge, a little. It is possible. But almost no one who actually does it has the fluency required to do it well. And it bothers me.

[(Anonymous)]

Meh, when I've been reading or watching fiction in another dialect, even a fictional one, it makes its way into my subconscious thoughts and I have to work not to have it come out when I'm talking. It happened with Bridget Jones abbreviations, it happened with Clockwork Orange, it happened with Ridley Walker, it happens with everything I get into. For a while, I have to exert effort to keep it out of my spontaneous speech.

So, I reject your swearing hypothesis. Besides, I hear children using American swearwords that they heard on TV or films all the time.

[fadeinthewash]

Every swear word is something unnatural at first. There's always a first time that you hear something, a first time you repeat it, a first time you say it in front of your friends or, imo the ultimate test of comfort, in front of your parents... If swearing is a minor art, then it can be practiced and honed and learned like any other art.

[rapunzelita]

*blinks*

Swear words that are used from a foreign culture are just never effective.

So I'm not allowed to swear in English because it's not my native culture, now? Should I just pepper my speech with French swearwords then? I'm sure that wouldn't sound like pretension at all.

Sorry, but no. That's about as unfounded as saying that a foreigner will never speak proper English because "they can never grasp it as a native would". That's pretty condescending.

[cashay]

You can be deeply comfortable with words that aren't even from your own language (and I don't mean the minor differences between British English and American English). Most people who know a second language fluently will tell you that often the "foreign" word for something is deeper ingrained and more naturally than the equivalent in your mother tongue.

[athousanderrors]

This. My Finnish flatmate went home to see her mum, and said 'I'm just going to put the washing on', in Finnish. Her mum asked 'on what?', because that sentence makes NO SENSE. She was so used to saying it in English, she'd translated it to Finnish without thinking whether or not it actually worked in her mother tongue.

[maverickz3r0]

You're kidding, right?

You don't need to have some ~deep mystical language fluency understanding~ of expletives of all things to use them properly. I know plenty of people who only learn foreign curse words--or learn innocent foreign words and use them as curses because they sound like they could be in English and they're uncomfortable actually swearing. And I throw 'bloody' in to things I say fairly often and it sounds just as natural as when I say 'y'all.'

[tabaqui]

Well, no. Plenty of people import foreign swears all the time, and they do just fine.

But some *characters* would never use foreign swears, and *that* would jar.

[(Anonymous)]

It ALWAYS comes off like pretension...

Unlike declaring that a foreigner or a person who lives in a different region of your country can never, ever use certain words because the fact that they weren't born where you were means they can never, ever truly "understand" them.

That's not pretentious at all.