[ SECRET POST #2111 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2111 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get why he's even considered morally authoritative at all. He just wanted to be a hero and do heroic things and beat up bullies and was obsessed with proving himself and with not feeling guilty or worthless for staying home. I never got the feeling that a feeling of responsibility to stop people from getting hurt or a desire to help people/do good for its own sake was his primary motivation like it was for Thor, Tony, and Bruce. He was more like Clint and Natasha in that regard -- doing good things to find meaning in his life/make up for his perceived inadequacies. He's very admirable for his courage and level-headedness and tactical skill, but morally? Ehhhh....

/double-checks anon for very obvious reasons

[(Anonymous)]

Um. Are we talking about movieverse Captain America? Because while I can't speak to the comics, if you're talking about the movies, then I'm not sure we watched the same movie. He didn't want to "be a hero." He wanted to do his part. It wasn't about "feeling guilty and worthless for staying home" -- it was about feeling like he had to go and serve because people were needed. He never thinks of himself as a hero; even after the serum, he refers to himself as "just a kid from Brooklyn." Feelings of responsibility to stop people from getting hurt and a desire to help people are entirely what he's about. Did... that not come across when you saw his movie?

And... Did you just say that Tony and Bruce are driven to do good for its own sake, rather than to make up for perceived inadequacies? I mean, I love Tony to bits, but his primary motivation for putting on the suit was always "I have to make up for the suffering I have caused."

[(Anonymous)]

If you're a 90-pound asthmatic, doing your part is worthless. Collecting scrap metal IS doing your part, and pretty useful at that. More useful than being a frail, feeble soldier.

As for Tony and Bruce, what I said was Feelings of responsibility to stop people from getting hurt -- which they feel responsible for because they actually are responsible for it, I was referring to Thor when I said helping people for its own sake, but my apologies -- I should have clarified that. Any idiot would know that a single soldier in a war is interchangeable and a weak soldier is a liability, definitely not something that is "needed" or wanted.

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Oh puh-leeze. As though regular soldiers today aren't heroic for wanting to do their part, however small, even if personally they don't actually change the game. It's called being part of something bigger than yourself.

Sure, part of Steve's motivations come from his feelings of uselessness (which are pretty depressing, since throughout the whole movie we never really see him overcome his rock-bottom self-worth and lack of self-preservation, and god that hurts because he's so much more than that), but that doesn't make him less heroic. That's all he had to be heroic about.

Like, Tony and Bruce had the "privilege" (that sounds wrong but I can't think of how else to put it -- it's a privilege for them as characters rather than as people) of being responsible for gigantic world-destroying super-powerful problems that they personally needed to fix and had the power to fix them. Steve was a poor kid from 1940s Brooklyn who wasn't powerful or intelligent or educated or wealthy enough to cause any problems that he needed to fix or do things no one else could do. He quite simply had nothing to offer except his willingness to help until the serum, because he's not a billionaire or corporate leader or a brilliant engineer or a genius scientist with a reputation and access to military projects and funding.