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⌈ Secret Post #2111 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'd like to see sources for these claims, since this is the first I'm hearing of this.

And does being anti-abortion equate to anti-contraceptive, really? I'm not too familiar with American laws but they seem like two entirely separate issues. While the majority who are against abortion may very well be against contraceptive use, legally it should be an entirely different issue. I mean, sheesh, if you want to put all these anti-abortion laws into effect you would think that there would be MORE promotion of contraceptives.

I just have a problem whenever I hear someone personally attacking anyone, whether they be a politician, actor, writer, etc. You can find some of Ryan's policies disgusting, but you don't know the man personally. While they project a public image, they are also people with families, friends, parents. Ryan has very young children, and it would bother me if the kids heard on the news or just walking down the street about a bunch of people talking about how their father is a "misogynistic scumbag." It's the same thing with Sarah Palin; you don't know how many times I've heard the whole family called a bunch of rednecks, or backwards. And poor Bristol gets slutshamed and called "trash" for daring to get pregnant. I just really feel for these families.

[yeahscience]

These are all easily googleable, as they are in fact part of his public voting record. Do your own research if you're so skeptical.

In your research, you might also learn that many Republicans are also anti-contraceptive these days because it gets them points with conservative Christians.

I don't understand what on earth is supposed to separate a man's policies from his person, incidentally. He's voted against fair pay for women. He's voted against basic healthcare for women. He literally does not want women to be equal. Yes, that absolutely makes him a misogynist.

[(Anonymous)]

Re: The Palins vs. Paul Ryan

One of these things is not like the other. Shaming or insulting someone for how they live their own lives is awful. Shaming or insulting someone for advocating and advancing policies that seek to strip others of their rights is A-OK. They should be ashamed of attacking the rights of others. If he doesn't want his kids to hear him being called a misogynistic scumbag, then it's his responsibility not to BE one.

And yeah, conservatives in the US have decided that most forms of contraception actually are abortion somehow, so that's how they link the two issues. That, and they're both excuses for them to promote their version of "sexual morality."

[(Anonymous)]

I just feel that NO child should hear their mother or father be called something so horrible. It harms the child due to a flaw in his or her parents. He may be called a "misogynistic scumbag" but he's still a man who loves his family dearly. I also would not call him a "scumbag" since that really is a personal attack (how can a man who loves his family so much be scum?), but "misogynistic" could definitely apply since he endorses many misogynistic policies.

What an odd way for conservatives to think! It appears so counterproductive to me. And it's very odd since in American media everyone seems to be so sexualized, yet they have this concern for "sexual morality."

[(Anonymous)]

The problem is, someone can be genuinely a horrible person and still love their family. They just don't see anyone outside of their personal circle as people or as worthy of rights or protection. History is full of monstrous and brutal individuals who wrought widespread death and suffering but still loved their children.

I can't get behind the idea of going easy on someone who does awful things that hurt people just because they have kids who might hear what's being said about them. Having children doesn't render you immune to public criticism, even if that criticism is harsh or impolite, and especially if it's warranted by your actions.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it really harmed me growing up hearing kids throwing around homophobic slurs in school. (My dad's gay.) Sure would be nice if those kid's parents didn't teach them that homosexuality is wrong and sinful and it's perfectly ok to say that to your friends.
Somehow, I don't think Ryan cares about, y'know, that. But heaven forbid we call him out on his many political attacks against women's rights, because his poor little children might hear us and question whether their dad is *gasp* wrong about something!

[(Anonymous)]

If you have experienced such hurtful words growing up, you know full well how harmful it could be for a child to hear derogatory words flung around about his or her father. The fact that you seem so dismissive of them ("poor little" is what indicated this to me, but I might be wrong) is surprising.

The problem is not questioning or criticizing his policies. I don't know where you got that from. The problem is using personal attacks like "scumbag."

[(Anonymous)]

The kids at school were saying that gay people were sinful/going to hell/pedophiles/unfit parents/other such lies and false statements. That hurt, that they would think that about my dad, my cousin, and, as I found out in high school, me too. Because those were LIES.

It's true that Paul Ryan supports, sponsors, and pushes for policies that are very harmful to women, and could have life-threatening consequences. I wouldn't go up to his kids and say "your dad's a scumbag" that's ridiculous, where is that situation even coming from in this discussion? But if his kids happen to hear people discussing their dad and saying "he's really anti-women's rights/he makes me scared to be a woman in this country/I'm afraid for my healthcare and my student loans with him in office" how does that harm them? Those aren't lies or slander, they're FACTS.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think we are disagreeing; there may have been a misunderstanding.

Someone in another post on this thread called Ryan a "scumbag," which I noted was a personal attack and should be avoided. That was what did not sit right with me; I think it is perfectly reasonable to criticize his policies (in fact, it should be encouraged). I believe we may be on the same page in this regard.

I am so sorry to hear about the intolerance and bigotry you have suffered from. I am glad you have the strength the overcome such horror, and I hope and pray that those classmates will see the errors of their ways.

[(Anonymous)]

The first you're hearing of 'legitimate rape'? I seriously doubt this, as that has been talked about in a ton of different places. But here you go.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/19/712251/how-todd-akin-and-paul-ryan-partnered-to-redefine-rape/?mobile=nc

[(Anonymous)]

I heard of the "legitimate rape," but it's the first i heard that Ryan supports it. I don't keep up to date with American politics.

[(Anonymous)]

He was co-sponsor for the bill.

[(Anonymous)]

Then I'm sorry to say this, but you need to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. You clearly do not know what you're talking about. The simple fact is that Paul Ryan is on public record supporting very reprehensible things.

[(Anonymous)]

lol I sincerely doubt you are sorry. I did not know fandomsecrets of all places had requirements before asking questions. My mistake!

[avatarmn]

Yeah, Google "forcible rape" for that sad story, adding Ryan's name to confirm his vote on that bill. And the contraceptive thing refers to "personhood amendments", Google that. A constitutional amendment to define an unborn fetus as a person, which would make abortion murder. And in addition to leaving miscarriages open to homicide investigations and all kinds of other icky stuff, personhood would make hormonal birth control like "the pill" and IUDs illegal. They usually prevent fertilization, but when they don't prevent fertilization they prevent the embryo from implanting in the womb, and let it be flushed out with the woman's period. That would be murder, making hormonal contraception illegal.