[ SECRET POST #2111 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2111 ⌋

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Comments

[yeahscience]

Uh, except that posting "why on earth... I never got the impression... unless you believe [blah blah] which of course is ridiculous" makes you sound openly combative. If you don't know something, there are ways to ask it that aren't LIBERAL MORONS ON FANDOMSECRETS, DEFEND YOUR VIEWS. You sounded both ignorant and belligerent. Which is especially silly on an issue that can literally be researched by typing these three words into google: "Paul Ryan women." If you want to be genuinely educated, don't fucking start it by trying to fight the people you want to educate you.

His reasons for defunding Planned Parenthood are that Republicans have ignorantly and incorrectly painted the organization as an abortion provider, even though that's an incredibly small fraction of the health services they actually provide to women, in particular low-income women.

He also, by the way, is part of a group that has been stalling the passage of the Violence Against Women Act. Thanks, Republican Congressmen!

[(Anonymous)]

Holy shit.

It might be that the internet can't convey tone well, or it might be because English is not my first language, but I am not trying to "combat" anyone. I made it very clear to say "I" never got that impression. Not that he's not, necessarily, but it would come as a surprise for me from what I have seen of him. And I don't know why the heck you think I hate liberals or think they are morons, I just know that many here are up-to-date on these issues and hate Ryan. I am not "belligerent" or trying to fight anyone. You may believe me or not; it is none of my concern. And I do admit I am ignorant in some regards to American politics because I have other things much closer at home to worry about. I know the basics but I do not know about things that are generally not spoken about a lot or not on the television. If you believe I am combative because of the "ridiculous" part of my comment, I should hope that most people are sensible enough to assume that not wanting abortions does not mean he or she "hates all women." It's a lot more of a complicated issue than that. No one should take offense to that because I believe most people are intelligent enough to see the gray here, even if they don't agree with it.

[yeahscience]

Okay, then let me just say, since English is not your first language: every part of what I quoted makes you sound belligerent and like you're ridiculing people who think Paul Ryan is misogynist. "Why on earth" and "I never got that impression" connote disbelief; and yes, the "ridiculous" part is absolutely combative, since you start off making an assumption about the people saying he's a misogynist (that we say that because he's anti-abortion) and then immediately follow it with saying that position is ridiculous.

Again: if you want to be educated on something, the way to say it is something like, "I didn't know that. Can you tell me why you think he's misogynist? Is it only because of his position on abortion, or are there other factors?" Not saying something that connotes, "I don't think that's true, you probably just think this and that's silly."

[(Anonymous)]

I said "why on earth" to show disbelief because I wanted to express my surprise. THe sees like such a nice young man! "I never got that impression" is true though; from what

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[(Anonymous)]

I said "why on earth" to show disbelief because I WAS surprised by that assertion and wanted to express my surprise. "I never got that impression" is true though; from what I've seen he seems like such a nice young man so it’s a shock to me that he would support such awful things. I can see why “ridiculous” is combative since it means “silly,” but I honestly did not believe there was anyone here who actually held the view that one who is against abortion hates all women.

I suppose my English is not as good as I thought it was, lol. I believe this is something that can only be helped by practice.

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[(Anonymous)]

I honestly did not believe there was anyone here who actually held the view that one who is against abortion hates all women.

Sure, it only means hating fertile women.

Or maybe you can think someone shouldn't have rights without "hating" them, somehow.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yes, you can think someone shouldn't do something and not hate them. In this case the "right" ends up killing a living thing.

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[(Anonymous)]

When that "living thing" is occupying your body against your will, its death is tragic but an act of self-defense. And you can think that the person shouldn't do it as much as you like, but when you actively seek to remove a person's right to control their own body, that is hateful.

[yeahscience]

To be honest, it's kind of coming across like you don't really get the connotations of misogyny, either. No one is suggesting that Paul Ryan personally hates all women. What we are saying is that his policies, decision, and actions harm women and are hateful to women, and that makes him a hater of women. A misogynist isn't necessarily someone who is personally cruel to every woman. I knew a guy who was very polite and charming to women, but also once expressed the view that successful men were "owed" attractive women and sex, and that women were prizes to be obtained and showed off. Is that not misogyny? He had been perfectly kind to me up until that moment.

In this case, anyway, Ryan has absolutely indicated with his votes that he views women as less than himself. We don't deserve equal pay or medical care. We don't even deserve safety. We don't count.

And frankly, I do agree that any anti-abortion policy is a misogynist policy for much the same reasons as Biden and the anons in this thread have said: that it removes a woman's right to make decisions about her own body and health and instead imposes a male-led government's standard on her. But that is far from the only reason people are calling Paul Ryan a misogynist scumbag.

[(Anonymous)]

You cleared up a lot in this comment. I assumed the English word "misogynist" meant someone who hates all women (or "woman-hater", as the dictionary says), which clearly is not the case since he loves the women in his family. Yes, some of his policies are certainly harmful to women, and it saddens me that someone in this day and age would support some of these sexist things.

Wow, that man from your story sounds like an absolute horror! I hope you warned your female friends about him! It is not only depressing that he holds that view, but also because he has no shame telling someone openly!

I respect your view on abortion even if I myself do not believe that being against abortion means misogynist. Because ways of exercising that right can lead to the death of another living being, I feel that there is more of a gray area in that regard.