[ SECRET POST #2114 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2114 ⌋

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Comments

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

[(Anonymous)]

Hm, I think some of those interpretations have validity. I don't know what the unrealistic time scale has to do with anything in BatB. Eric fell in true love with Ariel in three days (technically two). Acquiring your potential girlfriend through blackmail until she takes pity on you and your rage issues because you're just nice enough to not let wolves eat her is not the start to a healthy relationship. One night was plenty to establish that that shit wasn't correct. (And sure, she could totally leave when she wanted to before she discovered he wouldn't hunt her down for the rest of her short life.)

Tiana's story was poorly structured; I could see what it was aiming for, it just did it badly. If the moral was to be "don't prioritize ambition over your loved ones" and not "love for a guy trumps everything", then Tiana should have been shown neglecting her mother and friends in pursuit of her dream. Instead, all they showed was Naveen's poor decisions taking her away from her family and friends altogether and then she marries him; she didn't choose his life over a business, she chose his life over being human and going home to her mother. You don't see how some people might have been irritated with that? That unfortunate implication could have been avoided with better writing (for example, not turning Tiana into a fucking frog in the first place).

I love Disney movies more than is probably healthy, but they weren't perfect.

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

[(Anonymous)]

MTE about Tiana being turned into a frog. I really tried to get into that movie, but I wasn't as interested when they were turned into frogs. I don't even remember half the songs in that movie either.

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what the unrealistic time scale has to do with anything in BatB.

I was addressing the Stockholm Syndrome accusations--she couldn't have developed Stockholm Syndrome overnight, and perhaps more importantly, she also had the power to leave of her own free will.

It's also worth noting that, otherwise, BatB occurs over the course of at least a couple of weeks. So Disney's timescale for The Little Mermaid is sort of irrelevant.

Acquiring your potential girlfriend through blackmail until she takes pity on you and your rage issues because you're just nice enough to not let wolves eat her is not the start to a healthy relationship.

It wasn't through blackmail--she offered herself, she accepted. She didn't take pity issues, she took pity on the fact he got wounded trying to rescue her. And the only reason she sticks around is because they have an argument about how he's treating her, and she makes him see he has to be nicer. And he is.

For literally one night he's a dick to her, and after that, he's really nice and kind. He could still be a dick to her if he wanted. Nothing is stopping him.

she chose his life over being human and going home to her mother.

But that's not what people who really want to denigrate the Disney Princesses address--they think the fact that an empowered woman picked a man is the issue, nothing else. Which is fair, because that's what it's being framed under.

And, actually, yeah, she still made the correct decision. Facilier was threatening Big Daddy, Charlotte, and Naveen--you really think anyone would have liked her picking a human body and a business over that? There's no reason she couldn't have gone back to her mom, and she had already discovered friends and fun as a frog.

I agree that the negative part about this is that the whole "women must pick business or family/love" thing comes up way too often, and it was poor writing for that to be Tiana's choice, but still--it doesn't make her a bad character or role model.