fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #2114 ]

[ SECRET POST #2114 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2114 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.

__________________________________________________

02.

__________________________________________________

03.

__________________________________________________

04.

__________________________________________________

05.

__________________________________________________

06.

__________________________________________________

07.

__________________________________________________

08.

__________________________________________________

09.

__________________________________________________

10.

__________________________________________________

11.

__________________________________________________

12.

__________________________________________________

13.

__________________________________________________

14.

__________________________________________________

15.

__________________________________________________

16.

__________________________________________________

17.

__________________________________________________

18.

__________________________________________________

19. [repeat]

__________________________________________________

20.

__________________________________________________

Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 061 secrets from Secret Submission Post #302.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - unreadable ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

Not since they were kids, anyway. Seriously--Belle, Stockholm Syndrome? You know the whole dungeon-STAAAARVE!-Be Our Guest-trespassing-rescue thing all happened in one single night, right? And that she sort of proved she could leave if she wanted.

Oh, remind me again how Aurora was so stupid to be tricked by Maleficent--when she was under hypnosis. Or, would you rather tell me that OH NO Phillip kissed her without consent Disney is saying rape is okay! Because that's like saying it's not cool to preform CPR on someone who needs air.

Oh, Mulan is your hero? You think she'd hate all those "classic" princesses--yeah, Snow White, so weak. I mean, Mulan obviously wanted to be a man and hated all girly things and looked down on other people. Of course Cinderella would cattily hate a girl like Pocahontas, because that's clearly what you're actually like when you're beautiful and kind, deep down.

Yeah, it was so anti-feminist that Tiana picked a human life over a goddamn business. Totally the wrong choice, and I'm sure everyone would have been happy if she had thrown Naveen and her best friend under the bus so she could cook some food wearing a pretty dress.

I see all of these people on tumblr who claim Mulan is trans or "bi-gendered" and it's like...did you watch the movie? Cross dressing for the purposes of preventing your father from dying is VERY different than being trans. And she was also extremely awkward when she was pretending to be a dude, she never seemed fully comfortable in the role. I think it's obvious that she wanted more freedom as a woman, not a man

This actually really makes me want to see Mulan now. I think I was going through an "aged out of Disney cartoons" phase when it released and just have never seen it since.

I am not a huge Disney fan, overall. I love Aladdin and like Pocahontas, but otherwise....ehhhh.

But Mulan is my all time favorite animated film (even beating out Miyazaki films, yes), and it nicely slots into my top 5 movies at #4 or #5 (it changes by the day, but Mulan never gets pushed out of top 5. To give some perspective, I own somewhere between 350-400 movies.)

So yes, it's amazing. GO WATCH IT IMMEDIATELY!

...Mulan is my favourite, but for the role she actually had. Underdog kicking serious ass in the end stories are my favourite.

Also, 'I'll Make a Man Out of You' kicking in in the end when they're all dressing up as concubines to get into the palace is probably the best placement of music in a Disney movie ever.

Same here, she was awesome! (I really need to watch the movie again)

(I always hated the little mermaid though, not because of any obvious reason, just because my favorite bed time story as child was the original story, which was a lot more brutal and sad, and if you want your childhood to be ruined, you should read the story...)

0/10

How could you conceivably be...

I'll just believe you lack reading comprehension.

I think they might be serious, man. They make a few good points.

Trolls sometimes have actual points, but there's a clear goal to insight.

This is just a rant. A legit rant.

I love you, darling anon <3

I've heard these people too. Heck, I had one of them in a college textbook of mine. I find these people have watched the movies recently; they just have very different interpretations from you and me.

Or, would you rather tell me that OH NO Phillip kissed her without consent Disney is saying rape is okay!

This is the only one I'm going to comment on, because it really stuck out for me.

As far as goes the Disney adaptation, that interpretation doesn't work. Where I think it comes from, however, is the fact that in the original story, she does get raped (although by the king rather than by the prince). Even worse, the rape gets her pregnant, and she gives birth to twins while still fucking asleep.

For obvious reasons, that got bit got changed for the movie. But people who know the original story might be carrying their feelings of disgust over with them.

Actually I think that bit got changed in one of the six kajillion adaptations and variations and translations of that story, which also (afaik) doesn't have an original form, not really, because fairy tales, for the most part, arise from casual stories that get told by word of mouth only and passed around from person to person and fucked with and adapted and changed a whole lot before Wilhelm and Jacob Grimm or whoever heard it and wrote it down, sans rape, a couple centuries ago.

Veeeeerry few people would have heard the rape-ified version of the story before being exposed to the movie. Trust me.

Yes, this. I was very interested in fairy tales when I was younger and most adaptations took that part out (though they often left the blinding in). The first time I read about it was in a huge fairy-tale encyclopedia thing years later. It wasn't even the worst one out of the bunch lol.

Yeah, we read the "original" Grimms in German, and nope, no rape. I think people would consider those to be almost as close to original as it's possible to get nowadays.

I can see where it would come from but I really hate things like that. it really ignores so much of the history of fairy tales. There were hundreds of adaptations of a lot of classic fairy tales Disney used long before Disney used them. If I remember right, Disney's Sleeping Beauty wasn't based on Sun, Moon, and Taila, but a ballet adaptation of La Belle au bois dormant, by Charles Perrault. I think the movie actually used some music from the ballet.

It's not one of the "classic" Disney films, but something that bothers me is when people call Enchanted anti-feminist because Nancy chooses to go off and marry the prince. Meanwhile, they completely ignore the fact that Giselle rejected being a princess and chose to, among other things, start her own goddamn business.

Bullshit! Not only did Giselle choose to leave her princessy life, Nancy chose to go off with the prince in fairy-tale land because it was what she wanted. Feminism isn't about looking down on people who want to be stay-at-home parents or housewives/househusbands, but about choosing it for yourself instead of having the role forced upon you with few to no other options. Bad feminists! No cookie!

I think a lot of those people are the disillusioned "I just heard how the original fairytale ended, now I'm going to pull some junk out of my ass to sound all edgy!"

There's supposed to be another addition to the New Fantasyland in Disney World that's devoted to all the princesses. I'd like it to expand on the canon, if only for the way the princesses would interact with each other. Now that would be a fun movie. Princesses, Lost in Time!

Hm, I think some of those interpretations have validity. I don't know what the unrealistic time scale has to do with anything in BatB. Eric fell in true love with Ariel in three days (technically two). Acquiring your potential girlfriend through blackmail until she takes pity on you and your rage issues because you're just nice enough to not let wolves eat her is not the start to a healthy relationship. One night was plenty to establish that that shit wasn't correct. (And sure, she could totally leave when she wanted to before she discovered he wouldn't hunt her down for the rest of her short life.)

Tiana's story was poorly structured; I could see what it was aiming for, it just did it badly. If the moral was to be "don't prioritize ambition over your loved ones" and not "love for a guy trumps everything", then Tiana should have been shown neglecting her mother and friends in pursuit of her dream. Instead, all they showed was Naveen's poor decisions taking her away from her family and friends altogether and then she marries him; she didn't choose his life over a business, she chose his life over being human and going home to her mother. You don't see how some people might have been irritated with that? That unfortunate implication could have been avoided with better writing (for example, not turning Tiana into a fucking frog in the first place).

I love Disney movies more than is probably healthy, but they weren't perfect.

MTE about Tiana being turned into a frog. I really tried to get into that movie, but I wasn't as interested when they were turned into frogs. I don't even remember half the songs in that movie either.

I don't know what the unrealistic time scale has to do with anything in BatB.

I was addressing the Stockholm Syndrome accusations--she couldn't have developed Stockholm Syndrome overnight, and perhaps more importantly, she also had the power to leave of her own free will.

It's also worth noting that, otherwise, BatB occurs over the course of at least a couple of weeks. So Disney's timescale for The Little Mermaid is sort of irrelevant.

Acquiring your potential girlfriend through blackmail until she takes pity on you and your rage issues because you're just nice enough to not let wolves eat her is not the start to a healthy relationship.

It wasn't through blackmail--she offered herself, she accepted. She didn't take pity issues, she took pity on the fact he got wounded trying to rescue her. And the only reason she sticks around is because they have an argument about how he's treating her, and she makes him see he has to be nicer. And he is.

For literally one night he's a dick to her, and after that, he's really nice and kind. He could still be a dick to her if he wanted. Nothing is stopping him.

she chose his life over being human and going home to her mother.

But that's not what people who really want to denigrate the Disney Princesses address--they think the fact that an empowered woman picked a man is the issue, nothing else. Which is fair, because that's what it's being framed under.

And, actually, yeah, she still made the correct decision. Facilier was threatening Big Daddy, Charlotte, and Naveen--you really think anyone would have liked her picking a human body and a business over that? There's no reason she couldn't have gone back to her mom, and she had already discovered friends and fun as a frog.

I agree that the negative part about this is that the whole "women must pick business or family/love" thing comes up way too often, and it was poor writing for that to be Tiana's choice, but still--it doesn't make her a bad character or role model.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

[ SECRET POST #2114 ]

It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

>>INJECT OPINION HERE

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films

Re: It's like no one actually ever saw the Disney films