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⌈ Secret Post #2115 ⌋

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[Elementary]

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[To Aru Majutsu no Index]

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[Ghostbusters 2]

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[One Piece]

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[Teen Wolf]

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[Big Time Rush]

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[Sherlock]

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[Pitch Perfect]

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[Blue Exorcist & Supernatural]

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[Homestuck]

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[Rose Byrne]

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[khaos komix]

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[Once Upon a Time]

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[The White Buffalo]

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[Teen Wolf]

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[Dawn of the Dead]

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[CSI: Miami]

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You know what annoys me? That little shit son of hers is all like "you're evil" and "you don't love me" for the first season and then first episode of the second season then BAM! if you love me you'll do this for me. She had her magic back, she should have just done the villain then and put a subtle spell on that brat so he'd love her.

Although I think my opinion is greatly informed on how the first season shat on adopted families. >:(

but she is evil. and in henry's view if she DID love him (i believe deep down she does, but i mean from his POV) she wouldn't do all the shit she does.

i say good on him for twister her like that tbh. kid is smart beyond his years lol.

based on what you said then if Regina loved Henry she would never do anything to upset him. That sound stupid for so many reasons.

How did you get that from what they said? Regina did a lot of evil stuff. That Henry knows about. Including trying to poison his birth mother. We're not just talking making him go to bed on time and pick up his stuff.

lol wow. the fact that you got that from what i said. regina knows that henry hates the part of her that is the evil queen. he has told her so. he has told her to stop. but she doesn't listen. she tries to kill his birth mother, his grandparents, and generally fucks everything up for all the people he cares about. that goes beyond 'upsetting him' honestly.

attempted murder and telling him to clean his room or something are two totally different things.

There is definitely someone on the writing staff who has a real thing against adoption. I don't think they've managed to say one positive thing about it in, what? 25 episodes. That's kind of shocking.

Yeah pretty much this. It is one of the most problematic portrayals of adoption that I've ever seen and I loathe the way that some of the fandom explains it away by saying 'Well, Regina's evil, of course she's unfit to be his mother.'

Someone made a really fantastic comment on this in the Once Upon a Meta tag on tumblr (lots of cool character analysis there in case anyone wants to look) that states that one of the major problems they have with Henry's character is that he exists purely to be a plot device. All of the other characters on the show - save, perhaps, Rumpel - have grown in some way, but Henry's perspectives and stances on things have remained exactly the same.

That's about the most perfect description of why I can't stand Henry. Maybe the kid's not a bad actor after all, but all of his lines are some version of "The Plot Is This Way!" and there's just not much that any actor can do if that is literally all their character exists for. This kid weirds me out--he doesn't seem to have any other hobbies or read any other books, and he just more or less hates his mother from the get-go, and that, to me, is mindblowing and not just a little bit creepy, because my mother had some serious issues that happened when I was about that age that made it easy to think of her as "the villain," but even (or especially) at ten, most kids might actually have, I don't know, obviously mixed feelings about casting the woman who raised and loved them all their lives as the automatic villain. And Henry doesn't. Henry has the weirdest conviction, and it looks wrong on a child.

Actually, the only time he seems like the character he should be at all is when he's naming the operations things like "scorpion" and "viper." Kid needs to get distracted and start talking about dinosaurs or video games or something to make him seem like a real person.

Oh, and I would argue that Rumple, technically, has changed. Not in the immediate story-arc of "Emma comes to Storybrooke," but in the overall story, we do see him go from a scared father to an unspeakable evil, and we watch him fall in love and throw it away (and now we get to watch him do it again! Tragic flaws!).

Edited 2012-10-18 05:48 (UTC)

(major issue I have with the Once fandom as a whole is that Rumpel is completely excused [in-fandom] for being, well, a creeper, and Regina is more consistently vilified. I would posture that this is a man/woman thing more so than anything else, as they all seem pretty damn obsessed with the Belle/Rumpel dynamic.)

I've read a few decent portrayals of Henry as a sympathetic character in fanfiction (oddly, mostly in Swan Queen fic) but the show is piss-awful about it. I want Henry to grow as a character, but until he interacts with kids his own age (True North had him doing that and it's one of the few episodes where I think we really see him act like a kid) I really doubt that he's going to get any better.

I still don't think that he thinks it's all real. It's a game to him, which makes his character damn infuriating.

I still don't think that he thinks it's all real. It's a game to him, which makes his character damn infuriating.

Actually, I think one of his more human moments was when he was saying to Charming that now he was supposed to be learning swords and quests and that it hadn't turned out right. If Henry's spent the past year or so thinking that he's the son of a fairy tale princess and they just need to break the curse to make everything go back to normal, then maybe he's been pulling away from his peers because, as you say, they're not real to him.

It's still really annoying, but if Henry stops being a plot-device and actually becomes a slightly spoiled kid who thought that breaking the spell would give him the magical life that every kid dreams of, then at least he'll seem like a person.

You're absolutely right about the other kids. It's surreal that he never ever interacts with them. I mean, I very social at that age, but I still had peers, if not exactly friends. Henry's just...weird.

All of this is so spot on about why Henry as a character bugs me. He's the least child-like 10 year old I've ever seen. Ever.

And, yeah, if they'd give him an actual storyline, that would be awesome but I really can't see it happening.

It's surreal that he never ever interacts with them. I mean, I very social at that age, but I still had peers, if not exactly friends. Henry's just...weird.

How is it weird, under the circumstances? Henry was brought into town as a baby, and as he's grown up, all these kids have stayed exactly the age. Until Emma came, they were all frozen in time by the curse. Kids that were his age in first grade are now 3-4 years younger than him. He's smart enough to have eventually figured out that this was not normal. I don't blame him for withdrawing and keeping to himself. Now that time is flowing normally again, maybe he will eventually start making friends, but he's still pretty caught up in the excitement of what's going on, and of course he wants to be involved. That doesn't seem weird to me.

oh my god you're so right about Henry's being the only one who grows and all of a sudden all the kids he knew as older than he are younger than he and he one day realizes that this isn't normal holy shit I never realized this before

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The generally awful representation of adoption in mainstream entertainment media is something that's bugged me for an age, but over the last couple of seasons it's really started to anger me.

This and Teen Wolf have made me really quite ranty for the year or so.

And hand waving away the problems with how they address the issue of adoption because Regina's evil is just lazy and not wanting to admit that the show has a real problem with it.

Yes! That is exactly my problem with Henry. He's remained stationary while all the other characters have had at least a pinch of development.

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