[ SECRET POST #2120 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2120 ⌋

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Comments

[visp]

So if you feel that the SJ issues of your culture aren't addressed enough, start some threads about them. Going on to a thread about something else and then being upset that they don't want to change the subject and talk about what you want to talk about just seems like a classic recipe for butthurt.

[(Anonymous)]

I think OP is less "butthurt" about people not wanting to talk about what they want to talk about and is actually more upset that the people having these discussions want to paint Europe as a monolith, and then shrug it off/ignore it when they're told otherwise.

[visp]

That could be it as well. OP's wording was kinda vague.

[(Anonymous)]

"They're told the discussion doesn't concern us" seems to me to pretty clearly mean that the discussioners are well aware that the OP is from a different country in Europe than the discussion.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Seriously, OP, if you're trying to get into a conversation about SJ issues that, as you put it, don't apply to your country/it's neighbors, then...yeah. You're going to get told that it doesn't concern you when you try saying 'That doesn't really apply to where I'm from'. The reason is because, if it doesn't apply to your country, and that's what the topic is about then it really doesn't concern you. I mean, how would you feel if you were in a conversation about SJ issues that do affect where you're from, and someone came in and did exactly that? You'd probably be somewhat annoyed since there'd really be no reason for them butting in like that.

Now, I'm not arguing that SJ tends to be a little over-focused on the west sometimes, and that a lot of people* tend to treat Europe [and america too] as monolithic culture masses. But...I kind of doubt that's the only thing that's going, from what you said in the secret.

*And no, it's not just Americans who do that

[(Anonymous)]

I would agree, but it's really hard for me to imagine any SJ issues that would exist in the Western Europe but not in the Eastern (or the Balkans). There's a difference in scale in some cases, but really, if any of you think that social justice issues somehow concern only half of Europe than that's troubling in itself. Of course there will be differences between the issues of Poland and France or between the issue of Montenegro and Portugal, or Ireland and Czech Republic or what not, but there are often equally huge differences between the specific social justice issues of some West-European countries, so just saying that "it doesn't concern you" is a huuuuge stretch.

Unless there really is something that you (general you or specific you) can point out to me as an issue that doesn't come up in half of Europe at all.

[(Anonymous)]

This, basically.

I'm from a wealthy Eastern European country (though a North-Eastern one) and the prejudices that stand in the way of LBGT+ rights, or gender equality, or the racism in society, they're not exactly radically different from Western European issues. And from my discussions with friends from Slovakia, Hungary, Ukraine, it seems that they've got similar issues in their politics, sometimes even more extreme (google Jobbik party in Hungary to get a taste of what's going on in their politics).

What I do know from experience is that culture and history or even language are really convenient derailing tools. Many a time I've tried to discuss sexism in my own society with a fellow Finn and they have defensively brought up historical facts which seemingly prove Finland is and has always been gender-equal/neutral.

I'm not saying that's what the OP has been engaged in, and certainly in nuanced conversations you will cultural differences between stereotypes (for example, you can argue that the housewife institution that was big with middle class white American women in the 50's and early 60's, was never an ideal Finnish women struggled to fulfill). But there's more similarities between societies when it comes to social justice issues than differences, to be honest.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe take a look at the things that the anon enumerated as the things that people talk about as European (at the same time excluding half of Europe): history, culture, lifestyles, values, social norms, human rights, politics, economy...

I see no reason why this subjects have to always be so very Western-Euope-specific that the anon in question has to just remain silent, because it's never about them (it's about the Old Europe), so why should they offer an opinion at all. Because this seems to be what the anon is complaining about and also what you advise them to do. I really doubt it's the case of French people discussing French issues and anon wanting to say "but in my country it's not true" or whatever. It's probably about broad topics which don't concentrate on situation in one country only.