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⌈ Secret Post #2121 ⌋

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[Darths and Droids]

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[Captain America & Iron Man]

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[The Walking Dead]

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[Divergent]

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[SPN RPF]

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[Sanctuary]

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[Person of Interest]

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[Last Exile]

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[Hugo Weaving / Sam Neill]

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[Type-Moon]

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[Spec Ops: The Line]

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[Quantum Leap]

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[Tom Hiddleston]

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[Labyrinth]

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[Trent & Mariqueen Reznor, How to Destroy Angels]

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That's not cool.

The way I see it, it's your body, you do what you want with it. If you're not hurting me I don't give a fuck, and people who DO give a fuck need to get over themselves.

What I do have a problem with is when people who subscribed to the HAES philosophy have a problem with other people wanting to lose weight or eat better. Someone saying "I want to exercise more and lose some weight" isn't a value judgment on anyone but themselves. If they say "I want to exercise more and lose some weight, and you should too, fatass," then yes, that's not cool. But someone saying simply that they want to lose some weight isn't offensive. It's also a problem when someone who is grieving over their father dying is told to shut up because they're being a fat-shaming asshole. You can't be sad that someone you love is dying of an illness?

But still, I'm sorry someone said that to you. People need to mind their own damn business.

Is that thing about someone's father dying reference to a specific incident?

Also, I can honestly say that I have NEVER seen anyone treated as badly as my overweight mother, not even non-white, non-straight, non-cis people. Once, she was even weight at a job interview, and subsequently denied the job. It seems that in this day and age, weight is one of the last things people can openly judge others on.

I agree, however, that saying you want to lose weight is not a judgment on anyone else and shouldn't be labeled an "offensive" statement. >.

Yeah, it was a while ago, and it was a curseangel incident.

They weighed your mom at a job interview? I'm... pretty sure that's illegal, actually, unless the interview was for the kind of work where there might be a weight limit (I've heard that if you work in a warehouse you sometimes have to be weighed because the scaffolding and equipment can only hold a certain weight level).

I will admit that I haven't seen so much of this sort of thing in real life. I have seen it on the Internet, but I am also of an average weight so it's possible I could not be attuned to it in the real world.

It was for a standard retail job, and they decided she wouldn't be able to stand for eight hours at a time, so she didn't get the job. It is illegal, but she was young enough that she didn't even know how to protest something like that.

I'm going to say that while it's entirely possible that you just live somewhere where people are nice, you probably don't notice some of the stuff because it's not aimed at you. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I've been spit at more than once, called names on a weekly basis, and on two or three occasions I've had services denied me because the shop owner or whoever was currently in charge didn't want a fat person "advertising" their products or eating their food. People are also more willing to get physically violent with me than they are with more "attractive" women. And I'm seriously NOT THAT FAT. Definitely not in obese range, so I hesitate to think of how bad it must be for those who are more overweight than me.

I don't know if it's where people are nice, it's more like the fact I live in Lawsuit Central. :P

But yeah, fair enough. I could just not be noticing it.

I do hope your mom was able to get a better job in the end.

Haha, yeah, she went on to become a pharmacist, and as a result has a very nice job indeed!

"If you're not hurting me I don't give a fuck"

obesity and the copious amounts of health problems it causes hurts almost everybody who pays taxes, at least to some degree

So you should totally insult overweight people, assault them, spit on them, and/or a combination of all of the above!

That's a rubbish argument. Everyone pays taxes (fat people, too) and it's not fair to exclude one group simply because you don't care about them. I don't have children, I don't care about them and I'm never gonna have any, but I still pay taxes that go to schools, childcare, etc. And that's okay, because everyone pays taxes - therefore, everyone should be allowed to benefit from them when they need it.

Btw, did you know that many obese people never go to the doctors because they're too ashamed, scared and/or can't afford to get treated?

My mother avoids going to the doctor when she needs it, because every single time she does her GP gives her really patronising advice about how she should lose weight, often the standard NHS advice that actually we know is horribly outdated and unrealistic. She's been dieting since she was a teenager, she knows every diet there is, she knows exactly how many calories are in everything she eats (and how many grams of fat, and how many weightwatcher's points, and what its glycaemic load is), she is active (more active than the GP, I suspect).

And still the patronising advice, still the blatant disbelief that she does the exercise she does. She's been dieting since she was a teenager, so actually she's a yoyo dieter who isn't going to lose weight as easily as someone who has never struggled with their weight.

Obesity doesn't cause health problems. Obesity is (potentially) a symptom of larger lifestyle or health issues, such as an unhealthy diet and lack of exercise or thyroid problems.

A person can have a shitty diet and related health problems without ever becoming obese. A person can have a healthy diet and proper exercise and be obese without any health issues.

Stop demonizing the symptom and start focusing on the actual issues, ie. promoting healthy living. Honestly, it's like demonizing everyone with lung cancer for being a drain on the healthcare system, regardless of if they have it from smoking, being a fire fighter, or working with asbestos.

That's not how HAES is supposed to work, and those people need called out. :-\

Being a proponent of fat acceptance and HAES, I believe that if someone is otherwise healthy, there is nothing wrong with being fat. If it's causing health issues, then health comes first, obviously. But that's up to the individual to decide, and the problem is that when you're fat, every fucking person feels like it's okay for them to become armchair doctor and tell you how you'd be so much healthier if you just lost some weight (even if you don't have health issues, or if your health issues are not weight-related).

There are ways to promote HAES without being an asshole, and it sounds like these people haven't figured that out yet.

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