[ SECRET POST #2122 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2122 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 034 secrets from Secret Submission Post #303.
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Comments

[pynapel]

This is kinda long, but you asked about fanon vs. canon and it's kinda hard to explain

When I first watched Teen Wolf, I shipped Sterek. I think it's because I usually fall for the dynamic of ~broody frown monster~ and ~peppy snark monster~.

After thinking about it, they have nothing in common. Oh, wait, they both know the main character. And...that's it. They don't like each other. Stiles constantly alludes to how he wishes Derek would die, but fangirls play that off as "oh he's just being tough! he' really does care about him!" Which, no. He doesn't. Stiles cares about three things in the world: Scott (the main character), Lydia (the girl he's "in love with"), and his father. Everyone else can fuck off a cliff and die for all he cares. Stiles is an asshole.
Derek doesn't care about Stiles, either. All Derek cares about is avenging his dead sister and being a good leader. A job which he could use some improvement in.

Fandom, however, thinks they are in ~twu wuv~, which irks a lot of people because Stiles and Derek are literally the whitest dudes on the fucking show, and they aren't even confirmed gay. There's been some allusions as to whether Stiles may be bi or pan or something, and yes, I know that sexual orientation has never stopped fandom before but it's kinda gross.
Because the canon gay character just so happens to be named Danny Mahealani, as in, he's not white. And so he is glossed over by the entire fandom, or killed in fics for an emotional punch. Then they cry "but he's so boring/underdeveloped!" well, that's the writers' fault, and can't you develop him a bit more in your fics? You have no problem elaborating on Derek, Isaac, and Erica, all of whom are mysterious without a lot of backstory, but when it comes to Danny or Boyd (a black character)? NOPE. THEY'RE BORING I DON'T WANNA.

And the creator, Jeff Davis, says that he doesn't expand on Danny or Boyd because he "doesn't know enough about such minority groups so he's not comfortable writing them." Okay, then why are they even in the show? Better yet, HIRE WRITERS WHO ARE POC. And some more women, because you suck at writing women, Jeff Davis.

Worse is that Teen Wolf has fallen into queer-baiting; Jeff Davis and the other creators know that people ship Sterek, so they just love to tease everyone with it, even go so far as to have a fanfic contest, where like 1 out of 10 winning stories wasn't about Sterek.

I just feel there's a lot of hypocrisy in the fandom, and the slash goggles are on so tight that many Sterek fen are blinded to the fandom's problems.
And god forbid you're not a Sterek fan! If you don't ship it, then you may as well not even be alive, because you are a heartless piece of shit.

And don't get me started on the Sterek fen creating false meta to make it seem canon. Ugh. Meta is supposed to make you think about the world of the story, not reinforce your stupid ship.

[(Anonymous)]

Stiles cares about three things in the world: Scott (the main character), Lydia (the girl he's "in love with"), and his father. Everyone else can fuck off a cliff and die for all he cares. Stiles is an asshole.

Ahhh this is one of the reasons I love Stiles. If a hero character has intense loyalty to ~HUMANITY~ because he's such a good guy and everyone should be happy omfg, it's so boring. When a character has intense loyalty to a select few people, that friction in their personality makes them so much more interesting. (See also: Mal from Firefly.)

I do mostly agree with you on the canonicity of Stiles and Derek not really giving a shit about each other, but re: Stiles wishing Derek would die -- I actually do think he didn't mean that. I'm not saying he'd cry soul tears if Derek kicked it, but when it comes down to it, he has risked his own safety to save Derek. And anyone who genuinely wishes a good person to die is reprehensible. Stiles may have limited reserves of compassion, but he's not a monster.

[themperor]

I think Stiles is a 16 year old boy who casually jokes about letting people die (which teenagers and adults have been known to due) who he doesn't like, but would ultimately not allow it to happen.

[(Anonymous)]

Well said. Stiles is a sarcastic little shit who can be callous and crack jokes but when push comes to shove, he'll put aside those sentiments and help. He's saved Derek's life and helped him on several occasions and he helped Lydia come to Jackson's rescue in the season finale despite not giving much of a shit about him. I like that juxtaposition of what he says vs. what he does.

[themperor]

Ugh. I used the wrong do in my sentence. What the fuck. Stupid thesis writing has done weird things to my mind.

[themperor]

When people take Stiles saying 'We should kill Derek/Jackson' seriously - I just want to bang my head against the wall.I know its a horror tv show, but come on people.

I mean in all seriousness I have definitely said 'Ugh, we could kill them' about people who have not been my favorite in the past - but if it came down to it - I WOULD NOT DO It!

It comes from being an immature shit who is not on great terms with either of of the characters

[pynapel]

Yeah, I should have been more clear.

I'm sure Stiles doesn't actively want Derek to die, I just think he wouldn't care too much.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought Boyd got so little development because they weren't sure Sinqua Walls was going to stick around on the show?

TBH, the idea of Davis saying "doesn't know enough about such minority groups so he's not comfortable writing them." is so gross I kind of don't want to believe it. :( Do you have a source?

Agreed that it sucks that fandom has settled on two white dudes once again, though. :/ I basically spend all my time in the fandom searching (mostly in vain) for Danny fic.

[themperor]

I feel like there is a lot of Danny/Stiles fic out there. That and Isaac/Scott are the two other huge slash pairings that regularly show up on my dash. While neither of those are my jam, a few authors I follow wrote some Danny/Stiles if you are interested in links.

[pynapel]

When I see Danny/Stiles, it usually ends with them breaking up, or Danny just helping "ease Stiles into being gay", if that makes sense.

And then Stiles gets with Derek in the end. So.



And not who you were talking to, but I'd appreciate some links to Danny/Stiles if you're okay with it.

[themperor]

I will admit there is a bunch of that out there too - which I can understand if people don't like that. It's cool. I primarily read Sterek, but it is a very obnoxious trope.

Here are some of the links I have found

http://wldnst.livejournal.com/21706.html

http://archiveofourown.org/works/513393

http://archiveofourown.org/works/457741

Sorry. I know I have seen more out there, they just tend to pop up on my tumblr and I don't save them. I can do some more looking.

[pynapel]

Oooh, thank you so much!

[themperor]

No prob.

If I remember correctly....gyzm.tumblr.com ships both Sterek and Stiles/Danny so she has a decent amount of stuff there?

[(Anonymous)]

Danny/Stiles has been gaining in popularity over... maybe the last two or three months? and I'm really grateful for that, as someone who wants a non-Sterek corner of the fandom to hang out in (I would read Scott/Isaac, but I kind of love Scott/Allison too much, and also I a lot of Scott/Isaac has background Sterek, or at least Sterek subtext). Still, Danny/Stiles is pretty tiny compared to Sterek. I've read maybe ten Danny/Stiles fics that I thought were really good? And considering that there are hundreds of Sterek fics (and, TBH, I am spoiled and have mostly shipped ships with large following until now), it still feels a little lonely over here.

[themperor]

I'm glad it is getting more popular for you guys. Honestly I think this is the beginning of the Sterek backlash, so I have a feeling other pairings are gonna start popping up more frequently.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm hoping the trend continues! Honestly, I have nothing against Sterek, it's just when you're a multishipper in a fandom where the one pairing you don't ship is completely ubiquitous it can be hard to really participate.

But I do think that the number of people who are avoiding the main body of Teen Wolf fandom because they don't ship Sterek is kind of reaching the critical mass where a subfandom will emerge. Once people who want to ship non-Sterek things start seeking each other out to fangirl together, rather than just assuming they are alone, it should at least slowly start to snowball.

[themperor]

This. I tend to pick a pairing and stay to it, cause that's just how I roll. but I do want there to be more options for people who don't ship Sterek. I primarily read Sterek, but I do think the backlash it is getting is rather deserved. I just tend to stay in a small corner of it that manages (most of the time) to stay sane.

I actually am confused by the lack of other pairings. I mean the show is comprised of incredibly attractive twenty-somethings (and Papa Argent. Yum) running around at night and frequently in shirtless in locker rooms. It's a goldmine for a treasure trove of pairings.

[(Anonymous)]

http://gawker.com/5930518/racism-debate-ravages-teen-wolfs-online-community

if you google 'jeff davis tumblr' you can probably find the thing in full. he is also known to block people on twitter who asked him about this/if POC characters will get more representation.

[pynapel]

truly he is a national treasure

[(Anonymous)]

Sinqua had a lot of other commitments that were generally in LA, and since the show was shooting in Atlanta, that meant that they had to do a lot of working around his schedule with the writing. Hopefully this won't be as much of an issue in season 3, since they're now going to be based in LA, but we'll have to wait and see, especially since he's now on OUAT (if Lancelot's not dead... I haven't watched, but I've heard rumors he might be?).

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

Currently it looks like Lancelot is dead. But either the one character could have been lying about that or he could show up in one of the flashbacks again. Though I doubt it. OUAT has been known to drop characters like hot potatoes.