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fandomsecrets2012-11-02 05:54 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2012-11-02 05:54 pm
[ SECRET POST #2131 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2131 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[ ----- SPOILERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]
17. [SPOILERS for Detective Conan/Case Closed]
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18. [SPOILERS for Miller's Crossing]
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19. [SPOILERS for Journey into Mystery]
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20. [SPOILERS for Sanctuary]
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21. [SPOILERS for Journey into Mystery/Thor]
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22. [SPOILERS for DCnU Suicide Squad]
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23. [WARNING for rape]
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24. [WARNING for suicide]
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Notes:
To the anon that wanted warnings on .gif secrets: I'm not sure how I could effectively implement that. For triggery or spoilery secrets, one could just not read the text, but for .gifs by the time you get to the warning, it's already moving in your field of vision. If you have a suggestion as to how it could be done without just linking the secret (it's not breaking any rules or containing porn or gore, so that wouldn't be fair), let me know. Putting it in the notes for now.
16 is a .gif, by the way.
Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #304.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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(Anonymous) 2012-11-03 07:46 am (UTC)(link)Captain America movie:
- Repeated attempts to join the army (when he's basically a liability before!serum)
- The jumping on the grenade moment
- the start of the one man solo mission. He was 'borrowing' a plane or something? I don't remember that part too well, vaguely recall being irritated
- Crashing the plane
- the serum amplifying all that is ~good~ in him or something. Sure, he's that pure
Avengers:
- Mr Serious all the time, except for that "i got the reference!" comment (what, do you want a cookie?)
- Him being snarky with Iron Man seemed out of the blue to me? Like, they'd just met. I blinked. (equally confused by Thor's adoption comment)
- Getting all emotional over Coulsens death (i didn't think he cared?)
- he keeps acting selfless and I don't buy it for a second
- Why is he the leader?
- His outfit. HIS OUTFIT.
I realise it's irrational on my part, but his actions tend to creep me out. His whole character type creeps me out. Maybe because the movie was using it to show how ~good and pure~ he is? I just came away with "wow, what an idiot who is convinced what he knows is right or what he does is right but then he acts this other way then he's back to being Mr right and in control". I think I have this reaction to any character like that so, I just seethe at him quietly in my corner of the mind and admire the explosions.
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(Anonymous) 2012-11-03 09:06 am (UTC)(link)People like you are why we're constantly inundated with the overdone angsty lol so dark and edgy XD superhero bullshit nowadays. MCU!Steve's a flawed yet still genuinely decent person (people like that do exist irl jsyk), deal with it.
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(Anonymous) 2012-11-03 11:11 am (UTC)(link)dude, people like me are ~not~ the reason why movies are being all dark and edgy. I don't even like dark and edgy. You gotta deal with the fact I don't like this one specific character :P it's not that big of an issue that i don't like him. chill
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I never got the sense that the serum made him ever-so-good-and-pure. It was what Dr. Erskine said, being a good man. That's not an extreme by any stretch of the imagination. That's being selfless and wanting to help. Damn, what a creep. >.>
Also, can I just ask, STEVE being snarky with Tony is a problem for you but Tony being a pushy self important asshole is totally acceptable behavior? Did it occur to you that Tony HACKING A GOVERNMENT SYSTEM BECAUSE HE CAN is an asshole move? Did you think of what ELSE other than Phase Two he got out of that and if he should be trusted with it (I don't think he should)? Or his constant picking at EVERYONE (Bruce being the best example but he's a rude prick to everyone if there's more than one person in earshot). I can see a bunch of really justifiable reasons not to like him in there.
That's not to say that Steve doesn't have his moments of being unlikable (Fury's got the same blood on his hands? lol Fuck you, Steve). He does. Absolutely. His treatment of Coulson is a fine example of that. But if Tony gets the play the "WAH I HAVE ISSUES" card, so does Steve and I don't see how him being a good person somehow makes his issues (because come on, PTSD?) somehow less worth noting.
tl;dr That's a shitty reason to hate a character and I'd rather have Steve watching my back than Tony (or most of the rest of the cast for that matter).
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(Anonymous) 2012-11-03 11:28 am (UTC)(link)It's creepy because he acts all too pure and righteous and right all the time. I can't find it feasible simply because his desisions will not be applicable to all.
it more stood out because it was unexpected? tony stark is meant to be a dickhead. so it's like, right up front the guy is an arrogant jackass. the movie points at him and goes "he's our sarcastic douchebag character"
idk what phase 2 is referring? i've only seen the movie once and i'm only dipping my toes in the fandom every now and then.
re your tl;dr, it all just comes together that the guy creeps me out. But it doesn't matter that much because I don't have to worry about any of them having my back :P
just, sharing I guess, since i went a step further in my dislike of him than the secret. The dude rubs me the wrong way in the dude you're really creepy don't come near me way.
(although to be fair, if we were talking IRL I wouldn't want any of them near me. A playboy, a Captain America, an angry scientist, an assassin, a spymaster, another assassin who was brain wiped and an alien? it'd be a bit weird and overwhelming)
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Phase Two was the WCA's plan to build weapons with the tesseract. Which, yeah. Is a horrible idea because it's tech they can't control, blah blah blah. I have a real problem when Tony says he'll know everything about SHIELD. Everything. So... personal information, agent locations, undercover operations... some things are classified for a reason and liking and STEVE would know that. That is why I brought it up. Acts like that would put STEVE on edge and immediately color his perspective on Tony. So lashing out at him (under the influence of the scepter) wasn't that questionable to me.
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(Anonymous) 2012-11-03 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)WHYYYYY??? You're making us Steve-lovers look bad and you're making everyone who likes Steve look light irrational self-righteous jerks. You just went totally overboard and showed yourself to have just as worthless an opinion as the douche!anon above if you're so ~concerned~ about poor wittle SHIELD that you would bash Steve and Tony for saying "hey, you know, these guys are manipulating us and using us and maybe we should check it out". Why is SHIELD magically all trustworthy? And even if they are, you really don't think Tony doesn't have 99 million reasons to be highly cynical about WMD's in the hands of secret government organizations that aren't under any kind of proper jurisdiction? Really? Newsflash: SHIELD is not pure good. They're very, very, very morally grey. They have good intentions alright, but their actions...not so much. And guess what? That's okay. That's exactly WHY I love Fury and the whole organization so much.
And Tony was not "picking on" Bruce. He was befriending him, and somewhat-inappropriately teasing him (at first - he immediately swerved into perfectly-serious non-teasing encouragement and kindness as soon as Bruce laughed at him) and Bruce took a liking to him almost immediately because of that. Don't try to tear down one character just to hold up another one.
And he only picked at "everyone" at the start -- he was nice to Coulson after their initial scene and pretty much civil-to-friendly to Thor and Natasha after the initial clash. And he was nice to Clint the minute he met him. He picked only at Steve and Fury constantly. His picking at Steve was totally unjustified and all about his own issues and he got his comeuppance for that, but Fury? He was insufferably arrogant about it and got deservedly schooled for it, but had good reason to pick at Fury, because Fury deserved it. Fury WAS lying and manipulating everyone and trying to make them his little obedient squad to cover SHIELD's ass for using dangerous alien power sources to create secret weapons for an organization under the authority of a shadowy council who thinks nuking Manhattan island is A+ military strategy.
AND Fury was trying to save the world yes, because Fury's definitely a very selfless guy whose all about the greater good and is willing to risk his life and career and fight against anyone and everyone for the sake of what he thinks will protect humanity, not denying that, but selfless =/= morally correct. That doesn't make Fury a bad guy. That makes him an imperfect guy. Which is fine, but please don't pretend you believe non-secret-agent people like Steve Rogers and Tony Stark are unjustified in flipping their lids over being lied to like that. Different people have different perspectives on certain issues, and not being 100% right doesn't mean they're WRONG WRONG WRONG.
And also, newsflash -- people don't decide to like a character because of how high they perceive their goodness-level or non-dickish-level to be. No one (unless they're a complete idiot) likes Tony because they're under the impression that he's actually not a dick. They like him because he's a dick and still manages to do good things and be heroic. Don't play dumb, you know perfectly well that the reason people like Tony has nothing to with thinking he doesn't have flaws. So pointing out Tony's flaws has absolutely no impact on the reasons why people like the character.
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I mean, I don't like the idiotic "omg SHIELDs so ebil!!11" and Fury-hate in fandom any more than you do, but uh...they were not really the 100% Incorruptible Pure Pureness good guys here. They were a government organization that was trying to defend the world, which is good, but were using some pretty sketchy means to do it, which is bad. But it would be hard for them to do it in a non-sketchy way, which is fascinating. They're ambiguous, which makes them interesting.
I totally agree with all your points about Steve (except really, why would he not be pissed off as hell at Fury? Neither Steve or Fury was unbiased, but conflict doesn't mean one side is absolutely right and the other is a meany-meanface), but...don't give your opponents fodder. Please.
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-Bucky called him out for having something to prove with his obsession with joining the army, it wasn't supposed to be 100% OMG HE'S AMAZING.
-why is this bad? Again, it's not a OMG HE'S AMAZING moment, it showed that he had pretty godawful self-worth even though it was still damn brave and I'm not sure what's wrong with sacrificing yourself to save a bunch of other people.
-Actually, Peggy offered to get Howard to steal the plane when Steve told her he had to get Bucky back.
-why is crashing the plane bad? That's all he could think of to save the east coast of the U.S. from being strafed.
-Yes, he is that pure? Come on, superhero films are corny.
Avengers:
-wow, I'd like to see YOU be Mr. Happy-Go-Lucky after you've been frozen for 70 years, lost everyone and everything you ever loved, and from your perspective, just got out of a war and are suffering from PTSD. And wouldn't you be excited to catch one single reference that's familiar about the totally alien future you're shoved into?
-He was always snarky and forthright. Not just with Tony. He's a very nice guy, but he was never very polite.
-Are you fucking serious? You wouldn't be upset if you blew off some stranger who looked up to you and wanted your autograph, and then he died sacrificing himself to fight the villain you should've been fighting if you weren't so busy bickering? Really? You'd feel no guilt at all? You wouldn't be remotely shaken? (Plus, while he was clearly upset, he wasn't overly emotional. Tony was the one who fell apart, not Steve).
- don't "buy" his selflessness? a) Why? What does that mean? What do you think he was doing instead? b) He wasn't constantly selfless. He spent most of his time pre-Helicarrier-attack sniping at and trying to boss around everyone else because he's used to being a wartime leader. Not exactly ~omg perfect selfless perfection. c) Just because you're such a selfish pig that you'd never act selflessly, doesn't mean everyone is.
- He's the leader because he has the most tactical experience, given that he led a commando squad in WWII for three years. And his tactical orders to the others were perfect and made complete sense, so his skill was definite shown, not just talked about.
- the outfit was ridiculous, but he didn't make it. SHIELD did, they wanted a propaganda move.
You know what you sound like? You sound like a resentful, selfish, amoral little twerp who can't stand the idea of people being naturally good because it makes you feel inferior, so you have to pretend that any good guy must be secretly hiding something and then hate them for it.