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Comments

[saiika_von_maou]

You're in a country with fantastic history and culture and you're bored by it because people didn't fangasm over anime with you?

...yeah, sure, why the hell not.

[(Anonymous)]

This...sort of. I can understand not being interested in the history or culture of a place - everyone has different interests likes/dislikes when it comes to that stuff. What I don't get is why the OP didn't bother to find out more about the place they were visiting before actually making the trip.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously! Before I travelled, I was on Google Street View for WEEKS beforehand.

Gave me a weird VR kind of deja vu the whole time I was there though.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Eh, not quite what I meant. I meant more, taking time to see what it's like there/find out about the culture outside of your interests/etc - though looking at it through google maps probably wouldn't hurt since it might make it harder to get lost.

[yeahscience]

I'm not saying I don't like it here, but saying things like HOW CAN YOU BE BORED BY JAPANESE CULTURE honestly just kind of contributes to the exotification in other ways, you know? Like, seriously, I live in Japan, I've lived with Japanese people, and there's plenty of days where everyone sits around and watches TV or goes to the bar or whatever. There's boring stuff. It's not like living here is nonstop Totoros or nonstop ancient samurai warrior temples.

[anonymouslyyours]

We're talking about someone visiting for the first time for a short period. Not expecting someone who lives in Japan to be endlessly stimulated.

[yeahscience]

I'm talking about a general attitude I see frequently online that I find, at best, problematic. Like, for example, I was in Rome for a while and absolutely hated it -- when I tell people that, I get the occasional, "How can you say that, Rome is soooo great!" but most of the time I get, "Oh, why? What happened?" Whereas 99% of the time if I see someone say they were bored by Japan or didn't have a good time here, the reply I see is, "But Japan is sooo [insert something like RICH CULTURE/FASCINATING/HISTORICAL/etc.]." It contributes to exactly the same hole the weeaboos are falling into.

[(Anonymous)]

IA. I like history, I typically like learning about other cultures. Japan [and most eastern asian history/culture really] just doesn't interest me. When people find that out the usual reaction is either 'OMG, how can you not? The history/culture/whatever is so amazing!' and/or 'OMG, you just don't understand/don't know/don't 'get it'.' It's annoying at best that people seem to honestly believe it's Not Okay to find Japan's history/culture/whatever amazing.

[misstwist]

I've never been to Rome and if anyone told me how they felt about it, I'd ask "why" regardless of whether they liked it or not.

I think that asking questions about travel (usually about things that I might be interested in) or offering a different perspective (this is what I liked/didn't like) is interesting.

I am often surprised by the number of people who stayed in a place for a few days and rarely ventured far from their hotel. Of course they didn't have a good time, they didn't actually do anything or go anywhere!

I am also reminded of a woman that I traveled with to Japan (my first trip) who HATED it because she couldn't find "good Japanese food" anywhere, that there wasn't any "Japanese architecture," and that the fashion was bad. Meanwhile, I'm exploring like a maniac and discovering the joy that is hot coffee in a can from a VENDING MACHINE. Japan is a smaller country than the US, but there's a lot of variety just like most other modernized countries, you just have to look for the things that make it work for you.

[yeahscience]

Okay, this isn't what I'm saying, though. I'm saying that people blame weeaboos for putting Japan on a pedestal, but even when criticizing weeaboos they often tend to do the same thing, and depending on how seriously you take such things it's either annoying or Othering.

Read what I wrote again. I said most people ask why about Rome and not Japan, in my experience, as if the default assumption is that there must be a reasonable explanation for Rome, but Japan is such a fascinating world culture that people must find it interesting and deep.

[misstwist]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but responding with my own thoughts on a topic that you introduced. It's a called a "conversation" - they can be fun sometimes.

[yeahscience]

It was written as though you were responding to a point I didn't make, though.

[misstwist]

You're forgiven.

[(Anonymous)]

You are just a bristling porcupine of arrogance.

[misstwist]

Or I'm sarcastic and I forgot to put the winky emoticon on that post. Your choice.

[anonymouslyyours]

Did you see yesterday where misstwist told an anon who identified as mixed-race they needed to work on personal issues because they disagreed with her on how racial issues had affected anon's life? Because I did and she told me some people deserve condescension.

No, really.
http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/701687.html?thread=597555959#cmt597555959

Perhaps she should have left a winky emoticon?

[(Anonymous)]

...and you're an ignorant, condescending ass.

[(Anonymous)]

She does that a lot - see upthread.

[kikkyo]

"...HATED it because she couldn't find "good Japanese food" anywhere"

What.

Seriously, I'd have probably gained ten pounds from eating everything in sight just to get a feel for how the food really is over there. Foreign foods made in the US always get Americanized to all hell and back tbh.

[misstwist]

There wasn't a single thing we did that she didn't complain about as if Japanese people didn't know what Japan was supposed to be like. It was the weirdest and most annoying thing I have ever had to deal with.

[kikkyo]

Some people just aren't gonna be happy with anything they get, kind of a waste of a good trip to keep a negative attitude the whole time. I'm kind of loving that idea of hot coffee in a can though.

[misstwist]

I really wanted to travel to Canada with her and see what happened. ;)

The hot beverage vending machines are a convenience that I embraced wholeheartedly and wish were available where I live.

[(Anonymous)]

Be honest.

Will I starve if I visit? /can't eat most seafood.

[(Anonymous)]

no. There's lots of other food you can find, it just might take you a bit more care and thought.

[(Anonymous)]

actually, I was in a country that has fantastic history, culture, art, and architecture, but for some reason I just didn't enjoy it nearly as much as other countries I've been to (even in East Asia). I don't know what it was about Japan that left me less than awed - I adored Scotland, Korea, and Hungary, for example, and I really have no idea. Maybe because I didn't have enough time to do a properly long trip and really get my teeth into things, but I've done short awesome trips before so IDK.

But despite that, I had thought that at least I should be able to fangasm over the fandom aspects, only it turns out I just like obscure things, so zip on fandom.
(I was with a friend who is more of an otaku, and it was his first time traveling away from home, so he had a blast. And I do want to point out that it wasn't like it was a "fanboy" sort of trip - we spent 99% of the time in temples and museums, not at Akihabara.)