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I live in a swing state but just went "fuck it" and voted for Gary Johnson because he's closest to my own beliefs and I honestly dislike Obama and Romney pretty equally. (I like Obama better as a person, but I still don't like his politics.) So I've pretty much resigned myself to thinking that whoever won I'm going to hate the next four years, so I might as well vote for what I actually believe in.

Although technically I'm registered as a Republican so my vote for Johnson is a vote against Romney so I think I've upset my dad more than I would anyone on F!S.

Haha omg are you me, this is like exactly how I feel. Right down to how my dad would be upset if he knew. XD

My Dad actually knows--in fact, we sat at the dinner table and filled out our ballots together after dinner. He's a little disappointed I think, but he actually likes Gary Johnson somewhat, so he's not actively mad or anything. And both of my parents respect that I voted for what I believe in, even if it's different than what they choose to vote for. I'm pretty lucky in that regard.

I'm not sure what my Dad would've done if I voted for Obama, though. I think he would still be...okayish with it since he wants to support me being an adult with my own opinions, but he'd probably be a lot more OBVIOUSLY disappointed with me at the same time. |D; But oh well.

either way GOOD TO KNOW I'M NOT ALONE IN THIS. =Db

Wait... what? What does the state you live in have to do with how you vote? O.o Or are there state elections in the US rn as well as federal?

hopefully this helps: http://youtu.be/ok_VQ8I7g6I

I was trying to find an entertaining song about it but they all kinda suck

Yeah, that does help. We don't care about states unless it's a state election,(Aus) which is why I was so confused.

It's sort of a state election as well, most of use are voting for governor and senators and a whole bunch of other stuff at the same time, but mostly it's the electoral college.

Trust me, it's confusing for us as well.

Yeah, long story short, since Colorado (where I live) is split between Democrats and Republican, votes "matter" here more than they would in...say...California (which is very Democrat) or Texas (which is very Republican) due to the electoral college.

It doesn't make much since to Americans, either.

Ohhh. This video made it clearer. You guys count your votes by state.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok_VQ8I7g6I

So, is it sort of like... the candidates in those "swinging" states have to campaign more because their campaign is more likely to influence people's votes, whereas in non-swinging states they sort of try but tend to go, "Yeah, whatever, we're not likely to win in this state anyway"? Makes a bit more sense now.

Here (Aust) afaik they count every single person's vote across the whole country. So if you have, I don't know, 8 million people voting for the ALP, 10 million for the Coalition, and the rest for Greens/Independents/writing something stupid on their ballot card so their vote doesn't count, then the Coalition wins. In a federal election, the state or territory you live in is immaterial.

Yep, that's about right! A lot of people have been talking about going more with the popular vote, like Australia, but I'm not sure if that's likely to happen any time soon. Either way it means candidates for President that aren't in the two main parties are pretty much screwed.

I'll never forget the territory election in canberra a few years back where everyone thought labour would win, only for the greens to win. It was hilarious watching both labours and liberals suddenly be all "hey greens we're BFFs pls be my friend mutual follow help"

...then gay marriage was put forward, the ACT approved it and...Rudd stepped in and took it away. oh made myself sad.

Everytime a state/territory puts it forward and people vote yes, word comes down from on high to go "no" :(

D: Yeah, there've been bills back and forth in various states (idk, I don't keep track of all these political maneouvres, but I'm waiting for the big bold headline that says 'GAY MARRIAGE APPROVED NATIONWIDE').

It's because of the electoral college thingy. All states have a certain number of "electoral votes" based on population. Who wins the election is based not on who gets the straight-up majority of individual votes cast, but on the majority of electoral votes.

In all but two states, all of a state's electoral votes go to the candidate who wins the state-wide popular vote, i.e. "winner take all."

So one or more "swing states" - those where voters appear to be evenly split between parties, could wind up deciding the election because a win by a narrow margin in one state means ALL of that state's electoral votes go towards one candidate.

That's why a vote in a swing state is considered to "matter" more than in a state that usually votes with a clear majority one way or the other, and why candidates pour so much energy into campaigning in swing states and trying to appeal to undecided voters.

This is me, too. I actually didn't vote (would have had to do an absentee ballot) and I didn't last time, either.

I'm so over this two-party system. I never tell anyone I'm a Republican because they assume I hate gays and other things about me that aren't true. But I honestly couldn't bear to change my registration to Democrat because too many of the core beliefs are against my own. I don't fit into either party and resent having to register as one if I want my vote to count. I suspect that if it's this bad in 4 years, I won't be a registered voter anymore.

I'm actually closer to a Socialist but I'm kind of scared to register as such, so I'm on the list as a Dem. All of the independents I know are closer to the conservative/libertarian side so I never really talk about my politics (which is probably good because it's a great way to start a fight). I don't mind rational-minded conservatives because I believe it takes all kinds of viewpoints to make the country work, but I really wish the Republican party wasn't...the way it is. And that the other, smaller parties had equal exposure.

I don't think not doing anything is any way to change it, though.

AYRT

I don't like how either of the two main parties are and I hate that we have two main parties. The way we choose our representatives and leaders is contrary to the supposed intent of choosing the best person for the job.

I don't think not doing anything is any way to change it, though. It isn't anything overt and it will probably come to nothing more than increased campaign ads, but the politicians are well aware of how poor voter turn out is. They know they have to do something to get us to vote for them, I just wish they'd figure out that what many of us want are alternatives.

haha, ~~I don't know if you're the anon that responded to me~~ (wait, no, you totally responded to me--sorry, I thought you responded to someone else up thread) but you definitely sound a ton like me. A lot of people assume that since I'm not an gay-bashing, Obama-hating racist hick that they can bash Christians, Republicans and Texans around me...not realizing I'm a Christian Republican (registered, anyway) who grew up in Texas.

Although like you I almost registered as a different party this year--Libertarian, for me. The only reason I decided not to is because I feel like I tend to be slightly less extreme than the typical Libertarian on certain issues and I don't think I know enough about the party to really call myself a part of it. And like you I disagree with the Democrats too much to register as one of them, either. I'm debating a lot about whether I should stay a Republican to be able to vote in the primaries (which I honestly skipped this year anyway--I regret that now), switch to being a Libertarian after researching the party more, switch to being an Independent so I can wash my hands of the whole mess, or switch to Democrat and hope I can find Democratic politicians that share more of my beliefs...I feel like I'm going to be kind of screwed no matter what I pick. I do know I'm going to continue voting--in fact, I want to start paying more attention to local politics, which I've been bad about--but I really don't enjoy politics, so I'm not really looking forward to it. I just feel like if I can memorize fandom trivia I should probably put some of that energy into researching politics in my area. ...But I'm not looking forward to it.

Sigh. Politics.

Edited 2012-11-06 02:47 (UTC)

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It's because of the primaries that I won't change my registration. I never skip them but the last two times my preferred candidate didn't win enough votes to get the necessary backing. I'm still trying to figure out how Romney did.

Good luck with your future political research! I started down that road once and it consumed me. I'm just not strong enough to cope with it all. It was like there was poison inside of me and I felt so worried and angry and hopeless all the time. I think I got involved too deeply, to be honest. I try to stay informed without getting consumed now.

Do you live in a state where you can't register independent? I almost always vote Democrat at the state/national level, but I hate the two-party system, and I'm glad I've never had to register with a party.

AYRT
I could register as an Independent but I won't because Independents don't have a vote in the primaries. Our country is truly a two-party system and anyone outside of those parties is treated as a second-class citizen during election time.

basically this for me too. my dad was like "we [republicans] need all he help we can get" but i didn't have the energy to explain to him that as a republican i don't really feel comfortable voting for a guy like romney.

I've actually somehow managed to explain that to my Dad. I got lucky in that he's learned enough about Gary Johnson that he likes the guy well enough...plus I think he realized that if I was forced to vote for one of the two major candidates it would maybe be Obama.

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