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Comments

[misstwist]

Based on the conversations that I've had with Japanese women, there are very strictly gendered expectations for men and women in Japan. These expectations do not apply to non-Japanese people, these women (and some of the Japanese men I spoke with) described non-Japanese women as being "neutral" or a "third gender" - it was a fascinating to hear Japanese women talk about it: "Japanese women must have fair skin to be attractive, but you don't."

Again, I don't know that I would call it "sexism" - at least, not in the Western modality where vagina=less than, Japanese sexism is a different beast.

[blueonblue]

You know, every day I deal with so much sexism and random outbursts of right-wing xenophobia that they think I don't have enough Japanese to understand, all I can say is that "strictly gendered expectations" are part of sexism. They contribute to workplace discrimination and inequality.

Also, the fair skin thing applies to foreign women as well. Your friends were probably trying to be nice about it.

[misstwist]

Am I stepping on your expert's toes? Sorry.

[anonymouslyyours]

blueonblue brought an expert? Unfair!

[blueonblue]

Stepping on toes...no...emotional reaction to your gays are invisible and women aren't people but that isn't homophobia or sexism, yes. Looking at your other comments, it appears that you're sincere, but I have no idea what you're trying to do. Japanese sexism (racism, homophobia, etc.) isn't like the US version, is that all you're trying to say?

[misstwist]

I've explained my position at length in other replies. I have not denied the existence of any social phenomena - I think people's emotions are getting in the way of actually reading what I'm writing and causing them to make assumptions, as well as some weird social protocol on this board with which I am not familiar.

[anonymouslyyours]

Is there any circumstance under which someone can disagree with you without you accusing them of being under the influence of another factor?

[misstwist]

Not here, apparently.

10/10

[insanenoodlyguy]

Sometimes folks just think you are full of shit cause you are!

Don't get me wrong, I'm tipping my hat here. I know my own when I see them.

Re: 10/10

[misstwist]

Entering the echo chamber of this forum has been interesting, I'll admit that much.

Re: 10/10

[(Anonymous)]

Not as comfortable as the echo chamber of your own world view, I'm sure. You really aren't interested in the slightest possibility that you may be wrong, are you?

Re: 10/10

[anonymouslyyours]

echo chamber of this forum

AHAHAHA! I legitimately had to wipe my eyes from that laugh.

It's official. I have an irritation crush on you. Oh baby... never stop talking stupid to me.

Re: 10/10

[(Anonymous)]

I normally like reading your input in these threads, but now you're just embarrassing. Maybe you should quit while you're behind.

[insolentwitch]

It may not be emotions getting in the way, but the fact that your wording may be lending itself to meanings you didn't intend.

"Sexist" is debatable

I think the problem is actually stemming from the wording you used. Instead of saying that "Sexist" is applicable but different in Japan you said that whether or not it applied was debatable.

given that as long as one is not a Japanese woman, one can do whatever one wishes...

The fact that you were saying that "Sexist" is debatable makes it sound like you were saying that it was debatable as to whether or not Sexist applied if it was only being aimed at Japanese women.


And what social protocols are you finding weird? Maybe I can help.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the only thing they don't get is why we aren't falling all over ourselves to eat up her condescenscion with a spoon. In case you don't know she pulled similar shit on the previous post.

[(Anonymous)]

uh you said some stuff about your experiences & they said some stuff about theirs. 9_9 you were obviously trying to make this a war of experience so why are you completely denying theirs??

what they have to say about japan is just as valid as you

[(Anonymous)]

Being described as "neutral" or "third-gender" despite being a woman wasn't disturbing to you? (I don't mean to insult any trans or third-gender people here -- I just get the feeling that "gender-neutral" in this specific case means "not worthy of consideration in our society's gender binary."

[(Anonymous)]

...Dude. Just because it's a different kind of sexism or homophobia than what we're "used to" in the west doesn't mean it isn't sexism or homophobia. Get your head out of your ass. Japan can be a really messed-up place if you're a minority or a woman, just like in many, many countries around the globe. Just because they treat them differently doesn't change the fact that they're treating them differently.

[diet_poison]

uh that sure sounds like sexism to me. =/

I get that you're trying to differentiate the way sexism etc. is manifested in Japan, but it's confusing when you try to say that means the word "sexism" doesn't apply the same way because I think it definitely does.

[misstwist]

I prefer more explanation of cultural paradigms to less, I did not mean to eliminate the negative impact of these paradigms on individuals. I just don't think "sexism" is sufficient.

[insanenoodlyguy]

She's g9t a g99d p9int. We need to really check 9ur privilege here, step back and pr9perly analyze a f9reign culture, a69rbing it till we are undisputed experts a69ve even th9se wh9 actually have a stake in the issue discussed. After all, while we have t9 remember then first and f9rem9st s9 we can put them on the c9ndescensi9n pedestal, we als9 are n9t directly influenced 6y these fact9rs and with 9ur detached viewp9ints and anecd9tal experiences we will have a clearer perspective. We need t9 start making individual trigger w9rds f9r each culture we 6ec9me kn9wledgeable 9f (6ut never appr9pr8ate)

#Trigger warning #Perspective privilege