[ SECRET POST #2140 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2140 ⌋

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[fscom]

11. http://i.imgur.com/nZjT5.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Ehhhh it doesn't bother me. Old songs bound to have some skewy stuff in them. Parov probably just liked the melody and beat of it, rather than have some brainwashing racist agenda. I'm just glad it's not another Put'in On The Ritz or Swing Swing Swing remix, I'm tired of hearing all of those.

[(Anonymous)]

Sampling a song that came from the 1930s and includes evidence of common social viewpoints towards racial diversity from that time period but is also considered a 'classic' in the genre that Parov Stelar, someone without a decent mastery or understanding of the English language, is seeking to build upon ???? What???????? Not way???????????

Also, those aren't even the worst verse(s).

"Arab sheiks on the burning sands,
Come into their harems and clap their hands,
Said, "Come on, girls, are you ready to play?
Let's have a little more of that swingin' today.""

Or are you not against racism towards Arab people huh???? Racist.

[(Anonymous)]

Who considers the original Oriental Swing a classic? It's not a well-known jazz number. Not knowing what the lyrics mean does not mean you're unaccountable for what you say or present to the world.

Is it time for the Oppression Olympics already?

[(Anonymous)]

it's objectively a classic

[stainless]

I usually don't mind this kind of thing much, because as others say, that's a very old song. I still wouldn't bother judging someone for liking it.

And I'm usually not all that impressed by "Just find another word!"

But in this case, my mind is firmly in "there's nothing less eye-poppingly sketchy to sample?" territory.

Unless sampling that is some kind of intentional satire. Doesn't seem it, though.

(I have some pity for you though, anon. I recently realized a song I really like -- which I thought was about how tragic suicide is and identified with as someone who's struggled against suicidal feelings -- is actually pro-physician-assisted suicide, something that raises my own SJW hackles. Damn you, artists! *growls* Heh.)

[(Anonymous)]

what about it "raises your SJW hackles"? If someone wants to make a choice, it should be their choice to make. It's not Social Justice to dictate how others live their lives, wtf

[stainless]

The concern I have about it is that many people with severe disabilities are told by others who don't have disabilities that they are better off dead and ought to kill themselves. Here's an example, to prove I am not making this up (since nondisabled people often aren't even aware this is an issue and see it as a matter of personal autonomy divorced from any other social context):

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/opinion/suicide-by-choice-not-so-fast.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

I'll excerpt a relevant part, just in case people don't read it, but I strongly recommend reading the whole thing.

" I was born with a congenital neuromuscular weakness called spinal muscular atrophy. I’ve never walked or stood or had much use of my hands. Roughly half the babies who exhibit symptoms as I did don’t live past age 2. Not only did I survive, but the progression of my disease slowed dramatically when I was about 6 years old, astounding doctors. Today, at nearly 50, I’m a husband, father, journalist and author.

Yet I’m more fragile now than I was in infancy. No longer able to hold a pencil, I’m writing this with a voice-controlled computer. Every swallow of food, sometimes every breath, can become a battle. And a few years ago, when a surgical blunder put me into a coma from septic shock, the doctors seriously questioned whether it was worth trying to extend my life. My existence seemed pretty tenuous anyway, they figured. They didn’t know about my family, my career, my aspirations.

Fortunately, they asked my wife, who knows exactly how I feel. She convinced them to proceed “full code,” as she’s learned to say, to keep me alive using any and all means necessary.

From this I learned how easy it is to be perceived as someone whose quality of life is untenable, even or perhaps especially by doctors. Indeed, I hear it from them all the time — “How have you survived so long? Wow, you must put up with a lot!” — even during routine office visits, when all I’ve asked for is an antibiotic for a sinus infection. Strangers don’t treat me this way, but doctors feel entitled to render judgments and voice their opinions. To them, I suppose, I must represent a failure of their profession, which is shortsighted. I am more than my diagnosis and my prognosis.

This is but one of many invisible forces of coercion. Others include that certain look of exhaustion in a loved one’s eyes, or the way nurses and friends sigh in your presence while you’re zoned out in a hospital bed. All these can cast a dangerous cloud of depression upon even the most cheery of optimists, a situation clinicians might misread since, to them, it seems perfectly rational.

And in a sense, it is rational, given the dearth of alternatives. If nobody wants you at the party, why should you stay? Advocates of Death With Dignity laws who say that patients themselves should decide whether to live or die are fantasizing. Who chooses suicide in a vacuum? We are inexorably affected by our immediate environment. The deck is stacked."

Here's an example from my own life, less extreme because my disability is far less severe, but perhaps it will also help to put things into perspective:

I have PTSD. I have struggled with suicidal ideation for most of my adult life. When I am suicidal, however, people don't say to me "How noble that you choose to die with dignity! Let's hook you up with the Mental Illness Gentle Exit Network and you'll be good to go!" Instead, they approach the problem as that my thinking is distorted. That I am depressed. That I AM ILL, and that hopefully with their help, MY ILLNESS WILL PASS and when it does I WILL NO LONGER WANT TO DIE.

And yet, I strongly suspect that if I framed my suicidality as "I hate having a disability and I can't live with it any longer," suddenly my wanting to commit suicide would be lauded, celebrated, hailed not as an anomaly brought on by illness, but seen as the profoundest expression possible of my personal autonomy. What in a nondisabled person (or in me as long as I don't remind them I have a disability) is a sign of weakness, a reaching for what's dubbed "a permanent solution to a temporary problem" is an odd kind of heroism -- as long as the person Final Exiting is doing it because of disability.

I don't know that I would want people not to have the right to kill themselves. I don't know that I'd go that far -- just like abortion worries me, but I ABSOLUTELY don't think that means it shouldn't be a woman's choice. However, I'm deeply concerned and alarmed that people who aren't disabled see us killing ourselves as somehow heroic.

Imagine if people applied the same line of thinking to being gay? "Look, a lot of gay teens kill themselves. It must be so hard to live with the burdens of being gay that some people just decide they can't fight it any more, and let go. We should honor their choice to die with dignity."

Suicide is very, very, very rarely noble.

For more on this issue I would recommend checking out Not Dead Yet. I don't agree with everything they say -- I'm uncomfortable with the idea that assisted suicide should be downright illegal, and would prefer focus on the kind of cultural change that would make using it rare and seen as pitiful rather than noble. But I think it's an excellent place to get a grounding in the other side of this issue -- a side people who don't have disabilities get the luxury of never seeing.

http://www.notdeadyet.org/

There's also the deeply unfortunate conflation in wider society of the movement against assisted suicide with the right wing/with "right to life" anti-abortion groups. While I do think the groups can overlap, nondisabled people dismissing groups like NDY as "right wing" misses that its ties are fundamentally to the disability rights movement -- which, as a whole, is leftist.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, so, those aren't exactly enlightened, cultural-sensitive lyrics, but at the same time? Not really that bad. (Quite frankly, those quoted bits are still within the realm of modern dumbassery, even.) Like, if 0 is Not Racist and 10 is a Klan Lynching, they're, like, a 2 at best. There are far worse songs he could have used. For example: Watermelon Smiling on the Vine or The Sun Has Got His Hat On...or any song with "coon" in the title. Not that "not the worst" = "not bad" or good, but still.

[(Anonymous)]

I can enjoy a song without approving of the topic OP

[(Anonymous)]

Looks like Parov Stelar sampled the song from Lil Hardin Armstrong, so maybe you should be mad at her, instead.

Or you could just accept that things change, and attitudes change over time, and admit that judging people of the past by today's standards is a bit ridiculous.

Give it 20 or 30 or 50 years, and you'll find that your current self is woefully out of touch with future sensibilities.

[(Anonymous)]

I know your feel OP.
I feel the same about "Butcher Pete" that sounded so great in Fallout 3.