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No. I'm not promoting a peace organisation. I'm defending my right to wear a white poppy without getting punched. There's a difference.

Also, I may be a pacifist, but I'm still a 19-year-old sitting at my computer in the middle of the night while struggling through fibro fog and ME crashing, just a few days after being punched for choosing to wear a symbol of peace. I am trying, extremely hard, to be as calm and reasonable as I can. But that is not 100%, and it is never going to be 100%, and I don't see why I should never be allowed to be angry or upset about this, because being a pacifist doesn't mean I'm a robot.

I'm sorry you were punched for wearing the white poppy. That is unacceptable and disgusting. But those of us here who said that the OP should consider why some might find that image offensive are not the people who punched you. Please remember that. Your tone has been very hostile and condescending while the majority of respondents have been very respectful of you. Many of us have health issues, too, but we do not take them out on people who have a different opinion on a matter.

I'm sorry if I came across as hostile or condescending. That was genuinely not my intention, and I know that doesn't automatically make it okay, but I wanted to make it clear that I don't feel real hostility to the people I'm talking to, nor do I feel like I'm better than them or anything.

But I do disagree with your assertion that "the majority of respondents have been very respectful of you," because that's not how it's read to me, and if you're going to call me (or the poppy) disrespectful because people have felt disrespected, okay, but it goes both ways.

I'm also not trying to use my health issues to excuse myself. I'm trying to use them to explain myself (because the crashing and fibro fog does make me less able to deal calmly with this stuff), not justify my actions.

The symbol of peace that's associated solely with a single peace organisation isn't promoting that peace organisation? Interesting. Insane and stupid and misguided in the extreme, but interesting.

I'm not saying "GIVE YOUR MONEY TO THE PPU!" I'm not even saying "You should buy a white poppy". I'm explaining and defending a standpoint, not promoting one.

Why doesn't the PPU just choose another day? 11 November is a day already chosen in observance of something. For an organisation to choose to try to have another observance included seems disrespectful to me in a way that I never viewed white poppies as disrespectful before reading your comments.

11 November is significant for marking the end of WWI. That is the fundamental root of its significance. Leaving aside for the moment the length and breadth of the history between peace efforts/the white poppy and 11/11, how is that not relevant to the aims of the PPU?
Read the earlier comments. It is NOT another observance. It is a different interpretation of the SAME observance, the remembrance of the dead of WWI and later WWII.

Yes. In observance of Remembrance. The white poppy is about remembrance as much as the red.

Look. The Poppy Appeal is not the same thing as Armistice Day. Armistice Day, contrary to popular belief, was neither an invention of nor the property of the Poppy Appeal. That the Armistice Day observances have gone in differing directions does not mean that the white poppy is trying to edge in on the Poppy Appeal's observances, or steal the day. Neither method of observance is invalid. Nor is either inherently disrespectful to the other.

And that's all I'm saying tonight, because it's 5am and I should have been in bed five hours ago. I'm sorry if I turned you off the white poppy. I really am. But I stand by what I've said.

That's like saying an advert isn't promoting the company whose products are featured.

No, it isn't. Wearing a red poppy is not promoting the Legion, and wearing the white is not promoting the PPU. They are symbols, but their primary association in most people's minds is not with the organisations that sell them but with the sentiments they represent.

The primary association with the white poppy is the PPU, not remembering fallen civilians. If it said something other than peace or had the PPU logo stamped on it, then just maybe I could buy what you're trying to sell.

Maybe for you it is. For me, the primary association with the white poppy is supposed to stand for, which is remembering all the fallen of war and affirming my conviction to "Never again".

Also, "If it said something other than peace or had the PPU logo stamped on it, then just maybe I could buy what you're trying to sell." - I don't get what you're saying here. If it had the PPU logo on it, you'd believe we weren't advertising the PPU, but because there's nothing visible on it about the PPU... it means we're advertising the PPU? What?

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