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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-11-13 05:26 pm

[ SECRET POST #2142 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2142 ⌋

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Re: using "anymore" at the beginning of a sentence

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2012-11-14 06:45 am (UTC)(link)
Proper English for which audience, medium, and mode?

As an editor, I might change that sentence for clarity and to better match the style of my organization. However, while this case is a bit odd, there's no strong rule against using a adverbial clause at the start of a sentence. Just a quick peek at Tropic of Cancer has the example, "Last night Boris discovered he was lousy." Thomas Jefferson started the Declaration of Independence with one (possibly also without a comma). E. M. Forster uses the same construction in the first sentence of A Passage to India. It's not the most straightforward construction but acceptable if the adverbial clause is being emphasized.

But as a member of a family with a fair number of weird spoken-language quirks, including my own speech defect, a grandmother with some weird German-American colloquialisms, and a malapropism-prone mother, I wouldn't comment on it unless my advice was explicitly requested.

Re: using "anymore" at the beginning of a sentence

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2012-11-14 07:00 am (UTC)(link)
And I forgot that Tolkien used a modified modifier in the opening sentence of The Hobbit: "In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit." There's a sentence I'd leave to Tolkien's creative liberty in fiction but probably would want to streamline for instructional writing.

Re: using "anymore" at the beginning of a sentence

(Anonymous) 2012-11-14 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
some things are straight up just improper, hth

language may change and evolve but just because one or two people does something doesn't mean it's correct, which is where people are going with this. turns out it's a common thing, so whether or not it's "proper" already got answered. i don't think anybody was trying to ~correct other people, it was just a genuine question. why do people get so defensive over this shit

Re: using "anymore" at the beginning of a sentence

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2012-11-14 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
some things are straight up just improper, hth

Yes, and some arguments are just plain wrong. Your argument here is an example.

language may change and evolve but just because one or two people does something doesn't mean it's correct, ...

Well, I provided three examples of sentences beginning with an adverbial clause from widely respected English language works published in 1924, 1934, and 1937. I just checked the Chicago manual, and while placement of the adverbial clause proximal to the modified word is recommended it's not required.

why do people get so defensive over this shit

Because some of us are paid to pay attention to these things, and don't like seeing bullshit passed as wisdom?

Re: using "anymore" at the beginning of a sentence

(Anonymous) 2012-11-14 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
i never said adverbial clauses at the beginning of sentences were wrong. i use them all the time

but your argument sounded less like "sometimes those things are ok" and more like "everything you ever say, ever, is totally fine because no grammatical structure is ever wrong under any circumstances"

i think everyone else cares less about this than you do tho