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fandomsecrets2012-11-15 05:19 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2012-11-15 05:19 pm
[ SECRET POST #2144 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2144 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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There's plenty of both. Hell, there's two in the first episode alone (Mrs. Hudson wondering if John will need the other bedroom [Of course I will!], and the whole dinner scene). Also Sally in TGG, the innkeeper in THOB, and his reaction to being referred to as a "confirmed bachelor" (i.e., gay) in the some paper in TRF. The last two take place after ASIB, btw (in fact, TRF is six months later; the ASIB scene was before New Year's while Sherlock is said to have "died" in June). So either Irene was wrong about John's feelings, in which case, what the the point of the scene; or she was she was right, but John's still denying it as much as half a year later, in which case, what was the point of that scene?
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John is the only one who protests (and I think it's because he is a bit insecure about his sexuality and worries about his image in that department). Sherlock doesn't care, and thought he was seriously flirting in the first episode and answered the same way as he would any romantic overture.
I think people's assumptions come naturally, because of how they act and the fact that they live together. It's not something people who know them keep harping on about, it's not something they're mocked for, it's treated by all characters as a legitimate and normal possibility, not something half-forbidden that's joked about.
either Irene was wrong about John's feelings, in which case, what the the point of the scene; or she was she was right, but John's still denying it as much as half a year later, in which case, what was the point of that scene?
That he's in love but denying it, for various reasons, I'd say. Or he's accepted it and moved on, as he must be pretty sure Sherlock isn't interested. Especially after Irene.
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Then the point of that scene was...? See, in real life, there are loose ends, stuff that happens you're not privy to, etc. But in fiction, if you're not willing to follow through on something, then DON'T BRING IT UP. If John is so repressed that the audience will never see him express his feeling towards Sherlock, then it's the same thing as him NOT having them, so there's no point to his having them. And if he's already moved on--same thing. So, again, if Moffat doesn't have the balls to show John expressing his feelings towards Sherlock, there's no point in claiming he has them. And don't ask me "How should he (John) do that". It's Moffat's plot point, HE should figure how to deal with it.
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It really isn't. I think the scene with Irene really said it all, especially the non-verbal acting.
John expressing his feelings to Sherlock? How could that be IC in any way, especially as long as the feelings are unrequited? Especially when they are feelings he doesn't even want to admit to himself?
Also, the story isn't finished, so talking about what the writers (there are more of them than Moffat; isn't Gatiss and him doing it mostly as a joint project?) never did is a bit strange to say at this point in time.
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It really isn't.
Yes, it absolutely is. If the audience can't see it, it doesn't exist.
John expressing his feelings to Sherlock? How could that be IC in any way
And ain't that fucking convenient? Write a guy who's sexually repressed, have someone he's in love with his male friend (look, we're progressive! We're talking about gays and shit!), then justify never actually following through by pointing out repressed he is. Something YOU (I don't mean you, I mean Moffat & Co.) wrote him as in the first place. Why, it's kind of like saying a woman is gay, but the only relationship we see her in be with a man.
See, that's the problem with this show: It'll TALK about homosexuality all the live-long day, but when comes to portraying homosexuality? Yeah, not so much.
Also, the story isn't finished,
This is true. So are you saying that at some point in a future episode, John WILL express his love for Sherlock?
there are more of them than Moffat
Yes, there are three writers. But Moffat wrote SIB.
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But the audience can see it. He doesn't have to express it to Sherlock for us to do so.
Write a guy who's sexually repressed, have someone he's in love with his male friend (look, we're progressive! We're talking about gays and shit!),
Well, is this in any way common in mainstream fiction? A main male character implied to have actual, serious romantic feelings for the other main male character? I haven't anywhere said it's progressive. I just think it's better than a world where it's implied that same-sex relationships don't even exist. It's not progressive, it's simply not reactionary.
Why, it's kind of like saying a woman is gay, but the only relationship we see her in be with a man.
We're not actually shown Irene having a relationship at all, unless you count the heavily implied connection between her and her female assistant. The whole case starts up because of Irene's relations with a woman (heavily implied to be the girlfriend of one of the princes).
So are you saying that at some point in a future episode, John WILL express his love for Sherlock?
How should I know?
Are you saying that unrequited love is automatically homophobic if it's between two men?
Yes, there are three writers. But Moffat wrote SIB.
At least Moffat and Gatiss are involved in the overall plotting, if I've understood things right. And it's not as if Scandal is the only episode where people have thought John and Sherlock were together.
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Look at the secret you replied to. And it's hardly the first of its kind, nor will it be the last. So I'd say, no, they can't.
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