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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-11-17 03:49 pm

[ SECRET POST #2146 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2146 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2012-11-18 07:53 am (UTC)(link)
Those...were both used as boys' names at one time. Unless that was your point?

There's certainly a bias with many names, but the growing trends in recent decades have been male names being used as female names and unisex names (as well as, among various American groups, "unique" spellings and brand new names). Much of the bias is due to an assumption among many English speakers that names with vowel endings other than "o" and "u" are innately feminine.

Marvel switched Loki's parents for whatever reason in the comics- Farbauti is Loki's mother. It could just be a mistake they made in 2004 that they figured would put comic fans into an uproar if they changed...or maybe Marvel just doesn't care. I don't know. I don't know anything about Old Norse (just that my Norwegian is worthless in understanding it), so maybe -ey and -i were radically different sounds. To an English-speaking eye, they both look feminine.
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2012-11-18 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
Those...were both used as boys' names at one time. Unless that was your point?

'At one time' was my point.

There was a period for each of those names when they were more or less unisex. (Evelyn Waugh was famously married to a woman named Evelyn.) Now, not so much. It's very, very rare for boys to pick up the name Evelyn or Ashley any more (and I don't doubt that the majority of the ones who are were named after older relatives).

The number of truly unisex names in English is vanishingly small. It's not entirely uncommon for names to briefly end up as unisex, but staying there is extraordinarily rare. There are a couple (Dale and Jamie come to mind off the top of my head), yes, but they're far, far outnumbered by the names that aren't. (And male Jamies, more often than not, are actually James, with Jamie being a familiar nickname.)

We don't have any particular system for deriving a male or female name from a base, but that doesn't mean that the names aren't gendered - the vast majority are.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-18 09:14 am (UTC)(link)
Ashley remains a popular unisex name in the UK (454 newborns in 2008) and Australia: it's just lost its inherent male quality.

From Wikipedia: "Common unisex names in English speaking countries include Addison, Ainsley, Alex, Alexis, Angel, Ashley, Aubrey, Avery, Bailey, Beverly, Blair, Cameron, Cassidy, Chance, Chase, Cherokee, Courtney, Evelyn, Dakota, Dale, Darby, Darcy, Devin (Devon), Emerson (Emmerson), Evelyn, Fran, Francis, Hadley, Harlow, Harper, Hayden, Hollis, Hunter, Iman, Jamie, Jayden (Jaden, Jaiden), Jocelyn, Jordan, Joyce, Kelly, Kelsey, Kendall, Kennedy, Lauren, Lee (Leigh), Leslie (Lesley), Lindsay (Lindsey), Logan, London, Lynn, Mackenzie, Madison, Meredith, Morgan, Murphy, Noor, Parker, Paris, Peyton (Payton), Phoenix, Quinn, Reilly (Riley), Robin, Sage, Shannon, Sharon, Shirley, Sheridan, Shiloh, Sidney, Sky, Skyler (Skylar), Teagan (Taegan), Terry, Taylor, and Tracy (Tracey), Vivian, and Whitney."

Nicknames are even more commonly unisex.

Obviously, English has a massive list of possible names as several major English-speaking countries are dominated by immigrants and, as I mentioned, the trend among some American groups to create new names, but there is still a trend towards unisex names, your anecdotal opinion notwithstanding.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-18 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Alex, Jamie, Lauren, Lynn and Taylor are the only names on that list I've ever seen as unisex in practice rather than just on paper, and even then Alex and Jamie are usually nicknames for a longer more specifically gendered name (James, Alexandra and Alexander), Lauren and Lynn are usually spelled differently depending on the gender of the person (Lynn for males, Lyn for females, and I've only ever seen those as middle names; Lauren and Loren for females, Lorin or Lawrence for males [I am intimately familiar with this one since I'm female and my name IS Lauren, and I'm named a male family member named Lawrence]).

Taylor is pretty much the only name on that entire list I've seen in practice as truly unisex.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-18 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
*named AFTER a male family member

(Anonymous) 2012-11-19 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
Again, anecdotal opinions notwithstanding. Your experiences do not necessarily equal reality. Mohammed and its variants has been the most popular boy's name in England and Wales for the last five years, but the average person wouldn't expect that.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-20 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Then here's reality for at least one name on that list:

Lauren is a feminine name. Seriously, it is the only spelling of that name that is absolutely NOT unisex.

Lorin is unisex.

Loren is unisex.

Lauren is feminine.

If that name was listed and is completely, utterly NOT unisex, how many others on that list could be the same?

Seriously, Wikipedia =/= reliable source, people.