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Re: Examples of why people hate Steven Moffat?
(Anonymous) 2012-11-19 01:29 am (UTC)(link)I took the "failed sapphic dalliance" comment as him trying to piss Watson off. At the time, he was frustrated and Watson was trying to make him see reason, and he wasn't really expecting her to blush and stammer or anything. Earlier (and even now), a lot of the things he says and does (comments about her sex life, walking out of the house without her, etc.) to Watson are to see how far he can push her, like a teenager, really. On the other hand, he does apologize when he knows he has pushed too far, which is a large part of the reason I'm still watching the show.
The prostitute scene.... Well, going with the above theory, he knew when Watson would get there and was trying to shock her, or else maybe the writers were trying to set up that "He acts too much like a sub to kill someone" line (which, btw, I find offensive in a silly way. What do you mean I couldn't kill someone? Come here, I show you just how much I can kill someone.)
So maybe the show will lighten up on the shock value stuff as Sherlock himself does?
That, or you're right, and, well, sex sells. For multiple reasons (she's basically his therapist, Unfortunate Implications of pairing up a het couple but not a gay one, the way I draw parallels between him being a teenager and her being a parent, etc.), I'm really hoping they don't pair up Sherlock and Joan. On the other hand, they might, and there's a slim chance they'll do it well, and wouldn't that be a sight to see?
I can't imagine BBC!Sherlock acting the way CBS!Sherlock acted in the scene.
Pretty much. I haven't seen all the way to the end of the ep (got interrupted), but I was thinking of... it might actually be the first episode, when Sherlock finds the dead lady in her safe room, and the marble rolls into the pool of blood and sticks, and he looks at her sort of sadly and goes, "Sometimes I hate it when I'm right." I couldn't see BBC!Sherlock saying that. I could see him saying something like, "Aha! See, I was right!" and everyone else would be all :(
Re: Examples of why people hate Steven Moffat?
Okay, but does it have to be a in away that makes him come across as a perverted douche?
On the other hand, he does apologize when he knows he has pushed too far, which is a large part of the reason I'm still watching the show.
Yeah. Honestly, I wonder if part of why this version of Sherlock is nicer is that CBS is afraid that one as cold as the usual version acting the way he does towards a woman would come off really badly.
The prostitute scene.... Well, going with the above theory, he knew when Watson would get there and was trying to shock her,
I guess...? There's other issues, too, though. I actually kind of liked the "I don't like sex but I need to destress"; then, later no, he's lying about that. I think CBS feels the same way about asexuals that Moffat does...
So maybe the show will lighten up on the shock value stuff as Sherlock himself does?
I hope so...
Re: Pairing them up: Honestly, I think they have really good chemistry; I... kind of ship them, at least non-canonically. But as you say, there are SO MANY issues with the idea of pairing them up.
but I was thinking of... it might actually be the first episode, when Sherlock finds the dead lady in her safe room, [...] and he looks at her sort of sadly and goes, "Sometimes I hate it when I'm right." I couldn't see BBC!Sherlock saying that
Yeah, that was the first episode. And, yeah, BBC!Sherlock wold have gone, "Ah, like I said. [smirk]" Then he would have walked up and started examining her body (without asking permission).
Re: Examples of why people hate Steven Moffat?
(Anonymous) 2012-11-19 04:09 am (UTC)(link)Okay, but does it have to be a in away that makes him come across as a perverted douche?
Well, no. That's kind of where my defense here falls apart. In-universe, he probably knew that was the quickest way to annoy her. Re: the writers, though? Yeah, they should have come up with something better. Now that I think further about it, it kind of annoys me as well that Watson having an ex-girlfriend is supposed to be funny, instead of just... you know... her having an ex-girlfriend. I mean, he got on her case about having an ex-boyfriend, too, but that was more "Let's see how many rude things I can imply," and less, "Lol lesbians are hot, Watson's gay (except no homo)!" which... it's an American show but I really thought we as a country were getting better at this, or at least not as horrid. :(
the usual version acting the way he does towards a woman would come off really badly.
Actually I think I read something that said Watson was female in part to deal with Holmes's canon sexism, and to the show's credit, it does do that rather well.
Re: "I don't need sex": I kind of liked it too, and for some reason I feel like... maybe Watson was wrong? He hasn't called up another prostitute/Dominatrix/whatever (no idea what "destressing" entails, beyond sex and sturdy handcuffs) in canon, so either a) it's offscreen, b) it was shock value, c) solving cases is stress relief in and of itself, d) Sherlock possesses more than 3 milliliters of tact somewhere, and recognizes that he is in fact living with another person now, e) both Watson and you are right and CBS is American television and sex sells and being into BDSM (peripherally, at least) is "edgy" right now, or f) some or all of the above.
I have to say, though, in my head Sherlock is a sub. Subspace would probably be a great way to destress for him, plus there was one shot of him sitting and Watson standing slightly behind and to the left of him and the height difference just looked very natural, for whatever reason. (Even more weirdly, to me she just looked like she was standing there looking at the same thing he was looking at; he was the one who looked like he fit perfectly into that visual cue. I think I may be either wanting this or projecting onto it too much.)
And on that note (I just can't shut up today, I'm sorry), I could totally get behind shipping Sherlock/Joan. But only if they move out of the power dynamic they have right now, which Sherlock didn't get really any say over. And they do have really good chemistry, the similarities between a parent/child or teacher/child type relationship squick me just enough that I can't see it right now.
And the other thing is that CBS!Sherlock has character development. Sometimes it's in the wrong direction, but it is development. BBC!Sherlock is just sort of a rock that everyone revolves around, and which I can like little bits of Sherlock more than I like little moments of Elementary, in the long run Sherlock comes up a bit... lacking, y'know?
Re: Examples of why people hate Steven Moffat?
Exactly. Just... d-:
it kind of annoys me as well that Watson having an ex-girlfriend is supposed to be funny, instead of just... you know... her having an ex-girlfriend
I hadn't thought of that, but... yeah.
Actually I think I read something that said Watson was female in part to deal with Holmes's canon sexism, and to the show's credit, it does do that rather well.
Oh, yeah, I think I've heard that, too. And yeah, aside from the annoying sex crap, which is few and far between, it's pretty good.
Re: "I don't need sex": I kind of liked it too, and for some reason I feel like... maybe Watson was wrong?
First off, if that were true, I kinda feel like they would have made that clear right off. Also, the other theory she stated at the time--that he left London because of a woman--HAS been shown to be right.
c) solving cases is stress relief in and of itself
I'm pretty sure Sherlock says that right out in the first episode, actually.
d) Sherlock possesses more than 3 milliliters of tact somewhere, and recognizes that he is in fact living with another person now
With THIS Sherlock, I actually kind of buy that.
I have to say, though, in my head Sherlock is a sub.
I don't know enough about the topic to know, but you make some good points.
I agree that if Sherlock and Watson are going to get together, it needs to be when she's NOT his sober companion. Speaking of: I hope they address that once the time is up... well, will she stay with him for some reason? And if so, why?
Elementary does seem to do it better, yeah. Honestly, sometimes Sherlock feels like its three different writers write their episodes completely independent of one another, so we're basically getting three different views of the characters that we're supposed to read as all existing in the same universe.
Re: Examples of why people hate Steven Moffat?
(Anonymous) 2012-11-19 05:41 am (UTC)(link)But... not in the way she thought? You're probably right and I'm just remembering it badly, but now that I've said it I kind of want to go down with the ship.
With THIS Sherlock, I actually kind of buy that.
And that right there is why I'm watching Elementary instead of Sherlock now. Plus I like their theme tune better.
Well, it's... eight weeks, right? Something like that? So they have time for both Joan and Sherlock to develop as characters, and I think it'll end up like Martha Jones, how she went on "one trip" with the Doctor - Joan will stay for "a week" or something, or Sherlock will want her to stay because he wants to stick it to Daddy, or whatever. They'll come up with something, no doubt (but wouldn't it be cool if they didn't live together, and were legitimately just friends? This is the part where I only ship them non-canonically.) I feel like maybe Joan might get her license back sometime in the future, like, say, after her stint with Sherlock is up.
And then they, too, can do the "You're living together, you must be-" "LOL NOPE" thing. Hooray.
Honestly, sometimes Sherlock feels like its three different writers write their episodes completely independent of one another
Now that you mention it, I can kind of see that. In one episode, he's a cold bastard who drugs his only friend without consent and gets away with it; in another, he secretly has a heart but has been hurt too many times and so only cares about what John thinks and would die before letting him be hurt. It's just, make up your damn mind.
(And now that I've seen the end of OWTGO, I really really really love Jonny Lee Miller's (Sherlock's) acting when he hears the chained-up lady crying. Like, right after he says "Identify yourself," and she says something in Russian, for about a second and a half he is completely desperate in getting that door open. Then Gregson and Bell and Scumbag Guy show up and he's just intent.)