[ SECRET POST #2150 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2150 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, okay.

You for real think that just because it's easier than teaching kids about racism or, hell, even just teaching them about real Africans and African tribes, that makes blackface an okay thing to teach a bunch of kindergarteners how to do?

You might... want to reevaluate your priorities there.

[(Anonymous)]

Which scenario is going to go over better with 5 year olds?

A)

TEACHER: Okay, class, today we're going to talk about native tribes in Africa! You're all going to be natives, and native Africans are black, so pretend you're all black even though you've never seen a black person before. Here's a picture of one. Pass that around, would you, Susan? Okay, now everybody - pretend that's what you look like, because we can't risk offending people in other countries who will never know about what we do here this afternoon.

B)

TEACHER: Okay, class, today we're going to talk about native tribes in Africa! Native Africans are black, and you're all going to be black today. We've got some facepaint here so you can see what it's like. No, Timmy, we don't eat the paint...

[(Anonymous)]

Why do they have to pretend to be natives at all?

No, wait, sorry, I'm doing it again. Goddamn. Trolls, stop being so enticing, you make me want to feed you on a regular basis.

[(Anonymous)]

Hell if I know. I assume that's how it went down. Kindergarten was a long time ago.

[(Anonymous)]

If it was truly coming from a point of understanding, rather than mockery I actually don't think it's that bad. It could be a way to try and show very young children than skin color is just that - a color - and increases empathy with peoples of other nations/continents (i.e. "they're just like me").

[(Anonymous)]

+1, I think 'let's pretend' and role-plays as other people are basically sort of the way you reach kids at that age. And those young kids from a really homogenous society probably aren't coming into it with all the baggage that kids in an American classroom where racism is a much more noticeable part of daily life would have (which is part of what would make it seem such a terrible idea in the US).

[(Anonymous)]

But that's not true?

Skin colour isn't 'just colour,' it can be a huge part of someone's identity and it absolutely affects the way people are treated.

Teaching children that it's no big deal, everyone is equal, blah blah racism is gone is exactly the reason children grow up to be passive participants in racist societies.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

I agree that plain color-blind raising methodology doesn't work, but I also think that's because what the child is hearing - "race doesn't matter" - and what the child is experiencing - "race really does matter" - are two completely different things.

I think there should be a way to get across that the physical pigmentation of your skin has no bearing on who you are as a person. That the physical pigmentation of your skin doesn't give you any inherent commonalities with other people of that color (aka racial stereotypes). However at the same time, I do think those things should be supplemented by taking examples of racism from both current media and history and showing just how far we are from a post-racial society.

[diet_poison]

Teaching people that racism doesn't exist, and teaching them that skin color is a defining part of your personhood, are not mutually exclusive.

Frankly the notion that skin color is a "huge part of your identity" is really bothersome to me. A person's identity might be shaped by their background, the way they were affected by their niche in culture, their family/values, their ethnicity, how they were shaped by societal forces like racism, etc. etc. But those are all results of social influences. The fact that your skin cells have a higher concentration of melanin doesn't actually, intrinsically, impact who you are. And while not everyone sees it that way, I would like to think that one day, probably far into the future, but maybe one day, that's how it WILL be. Genetically skin pigmentation isn't any more significant than variations in hair or eye color, and ideally wouldn't be considered as such. Teaching people that we as humans have made grave errors and racism is a pervasive problem can be done while keeping our eyes on the ultimate goal of, one day, seeing humans as humans and not dividing them up because of tiny genetic variations that cause us to have different appearances.

Maybe I'm just too idealistic, idk. Basically, the fundamental idea that "we really ARE all the same inside" is not a bad one and can still be taught alongside the realities of what our society faces.

Sorry for the long ramble. I'm really sleepy and should probably go to bed

/gets off soapbox

[(Anonymous)]

I like this comment, particularly your hair color analogy. And hey, we don't burn redheads as often anymore, so maybe there is hope.

[insanenoodlyguy]

How about option c?

they pretend to be somebody without being made us as ridiculous caricatures? I really doubt the kindergartners broke out the makeup, somebody suggested that.

Kids have imagination. They can make some leaps on their own. I remember kindergarten too. We dressed up as all sorts of things. Nobody brought out the makeup unless it was Halloween.

That said, I wonder if it was properly blackface or not. Blackface itself is somewhat distinctive and deliberately crafted



SJW jump on people with spray tans as doing blackface sometimes, so I can see where the term might not be propertly understood. That said, if those kids looked like Mr. Popo from Dragon Ball Z when it was done... that's pretty fucked up.

[(Anonymous)]

I've got a kindergartener, and believe it or not, it's entirely possible for small children to learn about Africa WITHOUT DRESSING UP IN BLACKFACE.

And no, putting on black facepaint isn't going to teach a child a damn thing about what it's like to be African.

[(Anonymous)]

I used to pretend I was a mermaid with blue skin when I was in kindergarten.

Kids have really, really good imaginations.