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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-11-21 06:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #2150 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2150 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2012-11-22 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
And it's a fucking ridiculous and completely incorrect point.

We do not live in the post-sexist era. Therefore, it canot be viewed without the context of sexism in language, which is exactly what you're saying.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-22 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
You really just don't get it, do you? The word is sexist where you live. We get that. No one is saying it isn't. It isn't sexist where I live no matter how much you want it to be. Language evolves. In this case, that word evolved here and hasn't evolved where you live. It sounds like you need to lecture the people of your nation, not the people of all the nations where it isn't sexist.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-22 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
No, it's still sexist where you live. It's just a normalized sexist word. The same as 'bitch' here.

It being in frequent usage doesn't make it any less sexist, no matter where you are.

Maybe if we were talking about a completely different language (like, fuck, it means something innocuous like "ruler" or something in German) you'd have a point, but we're not. We are both speaking English. The word still has the same source, and it has not been completely divorced from that original source in meaning (heck, people in this thread have said they use it to refer to their own vaginas - so of course it still has the connotation of meaning vagina, of course it's still got that connotation when it's used as an insult or an expletive or an insulting term of endearment!).

It is sexist, no matter how much you want to put your hand over your ears and say lalalalalala so you can pretend it isn't.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-22 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
If you're the Canada!anon, then yes, I agree with you, words like "bitch", "cunt" and so on do still mean "female gentalia (or vaginas?) at their root. They're not used in some places to mean those things, which is a different kettle of fish entirely. However, your accusing people of being sexist and/or having internalised misogyny when they use those words to mean something other than literal female genitalia is what people are taking issue with.
It's no more internalised misogyny in certain parts of the world to call someone a cunt or bitch, as a term of endearment among friends, than for you or me to say, "God, I hope she's done that paperwork," or "Jesus Christ, I'm sick of making soup!" is hating on Christianity or religion in general. Yeah, Jesus Christ is still a saviour in the Christian religion. And God is still believed to be the supreme being who created the world. Those meanings still stand. But if you insist on using meaning 1 to define every single use of meaning 2, that... doesn't really work.

tl;dr What [personal profile] diet_poison said.
As plenty of others on this thread have pointed out, what about words like "wanker", "dick", "prick" or "dickhead"? Your argument that using "cunt" etc. is worse just because females have been oppressed and therefore we're perpetuating female oppression might be right in social justice circles, but in the wider world it just doesn't hold water. Why? Because people will say things like this no matter how you or I (and I've been guilty of this) jump on every single word. Unfortunately, it's the way our culture works, and by "our" culture I mean human culture.
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[identity profile] with-rainfall.livejournal.com 2012-11-22 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
^Whoops, that was me. I forgot I wasn't signed in.