[ SECRET POST #2151 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2151 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Scrubs/How I Met Your Mother]


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[Aladdin]


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[Russian politics]


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[World of Warcraft]


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[Hetalia]


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[Community]


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[50 Shades of Grey/Betty]


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[Wreck-It Ralph]


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[American Horror Story]


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[Tom Hiddleston]


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[Young Avengers]


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[Saint Seiya Omega]


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[The Mysterious Cities of Gold]


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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I ship them in a crazy demented way. Why do you feel guilty? It would never be canon but who cares? Fandom adjusts a character's sexuality to suit their ships all the time so don't feel guilty. If it's OK to ship a hetro character in a gay relationship it should be the same to ship a gay character in a hetro one. Ship what makes you happy.

[diet_poison]

Some people would actually disagree with that.

Personally, I don't like shipping characters outside their orientation because it just feels inaccurate, but I don't think you should feel bad if you do. They're not real people; they're characters, and fanworks are there to make you happy (general you, applies to both the creator and the consumer).

[(Anonymous)]

Ahah I'm the complete reverse. I prefer to ship characters outside of their orientation because (in general, and imo) the relation between characters who aren't supposed to be attracted to each other is developped better instead of just going straight to the sexual tensions.

[diet_poison]

That's a really interesting way to look at it, anon. I never thought of it like that.

[(Anonymous)]

I think one of the dangerous bits (or rather the bit that's caused massive wank everytime I've seen it) is where the trope "Oh, I never realised I was gay/bi!" becomes "Oh, I never realised I was straight!". The former is problematic unless handled with skill, the latter tends to result in unfortunate undertones of "Yay! True love cured me of The Gay"

In other words, in theory I don't mind shipping/ficcing outside of someone's canonical sexual orientation, but if you're going to take a canonically minority character, for pretty much any issue I can think of, and turn them into a majority character you had better be a damn good author. Or wear asbestos underwear.

[(Anonymous)]

But really to ship anything outside of canon or popular fandom you have to be a damn good author or wear asbestos underwear.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT: Hmm, perhaps because the fandoms I'm most active in are really pretty small I don't tend to encounter that problem, bar one or two infamous commenters per fandom. Also, I know full well it's not because I'm a "damn good author" :-)

Thinking of what I know of my friends' forays into the massive fandoms I can see what you mean though.

(((Also, I am impressed with my ability to try to type 'Teh' and make a typo that turned it into 'The'. Oh fingers.))

[(Anonymous)]

Not in this fandom. But when this comes up in others, I notice there is sometimes guilt because it's like "Hey! We finally have a gay/lesbian canon character in the media!" and then it feels like wrecking any forward movement by shipping him/her as straight in fanworks.

[(Anonymous)]

Look, I'm all about shipping what makes you happy, but in this case, it just looks straight-forward fucked up. She's a complete and total lesbian, and one who is very aware of her sexuality. In fact, she is disgusted, scared and horrified by the possibility of having sex with men. We've seen her reactions. She's in a terrible situation regarding to that, and I would personally HATE it and feel even more nauseated at what she's going through in the series if they ended up having sex for that very reason. You think they have great chemistry? An interesting relationship? Great. I can understand it... If it's purely platonic.

Idk. Besides, there is a big difference between making a gay character straight and the contrary for one reason: how many gay characters do you see in any kind of media? And how many of those are well developed, with explicit relationships(not asking for porn; I just mean explicit in the same way straight couples and characters are portrayed as), without any kind of stereotype? Not many, right? That's why it's different. Because we don't have queer characters. We have to make them up. We have to see beyond what the writers say so we can have anything besides straight.

(Not meaning to be rude, really. I hope I wasn't, in fact; I just get very passionate about this kind of subject because every canonically gay character I see goes through this :/ and, more than that, it reminds me of my own life, being queer myself and currently in a relationship, and how people can be demeaning about that, and how they always think it's possible for a person - and especially for a gay woman, like my partner - to be 'converted'. Anyway, I really didn't meant to be aggressive or to invalidate your opinion in any way)

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

I'm also gay, so I definitely understand where you're coming from and how portraying a canonical lesbian/gay guy with someone of the opposite sex can be done in an offensive way.

but...

Most fics I've seen that have a canon gay character in a m/f relationship don't actually turn the character straight (of course, this is evidence that I've mostly gathered from Kurt/Rachel fic which is a pairing that I'm a fan of). It just has them realizing that they may be a little more flexible than they previously. I can accept this, because it's...actually something I've seen more than a few times irl. I love the LGBT community but unfortunately some of the people in it (from my experience, I can't speak for everyone of course) can actually be surprisingly close minded. I've known a lot of gay people who are adamant that you're either gay or straight and that bisexuality just isn't really a thing and that the concept is mostly just a cry for attention. I've actually known women who had identified themselves as lesbians for a while and started having feelings for men but they just pushed those feelings down because they were afraid that their friends would view them as a "traitor" for even being attracted to men, which is ridiculous.

Anyway, I totally veered off track on that one. Basically: Turning a gay character straight through the power of pussy in fic? I'm side eyeing you. Having a gay character realize that they don't HAVE to pick one gender or the other to be attracted to? Sure, I can get behind that. You don't have to totally erase someone's sexuality to ship them with a character you like, after all.

[(Anonymous)]

Same anon you answered. Oh, I can understand that, indeed! In fact, it's my case - I fell in love with someone of a gender I never thought I could feel attracted to before (and still don't). I don't mind that, but many people don't do it this way. If done right, it definitely doesn't bothers me, although I have to admit it would probably disturb me if done in ANY way in the canon. In fandom, not so much, of course. Other thing that I've seen a lot is people wanting things like that to happen in the actual series, and not only in AHS, and that makes me genuinely sad, because we already have too little queer characters.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Ah yes, I understand what you mean now! I would be a lot more hesitant about something like this being done in canon too (...especially with this particular pairing). I don't think it's impossible for a show to do something like it well, but it can very easily become...not so good

[insanenoodlyguy]

You gotta remember though, the primary motivator for shippers is usually one that ignores all the larger issues. It's not about larger issues in media, either way you swing it. It's because they find it sweet/cool/hot. Mostly hot.

These two are hardly the first time a ship ignored the canon problems (in this case, beyond simply tweaking characters sexuality to be more fluid)

That doesn't get in the way of implausible ships where the sexual preferences match up, why should this be any different?

Shippers gonna ship. Sometimes, they ship crack. Pic related.