[ SECRET POST #2153 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2153 ⌋

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Comments

[maverickz3r0]

I have a friend who likes BBC Sherlock and she made a face when I said I was digging Elementary so I dropped it. I certainly haven't brought up how much I dislike BBC Sherlock or the people making it with her.

So yeah, I get you. I'm also seriously wishing I got a dollar for every time someone said 'I tried but it's just not BBC Sherlock,' (really, no shit, it's not supposed to be) 'But they made Watson a girl!' (they picked the best person who auditioned for the role and that happened to be Lucy Liu) 'it's not Sherlock, just a police procedural,' (it's an adaptation and a different take on the canon, of course it's not exactly the same as any previous one) and so on. I'd be rich within days.

Of course it's true, there's only one definitive Sherlock Holmes.

[agentcthulhu]

WISHBONE! ♥

Is today Nostalgia Day or something?

[maverickz3r0]

It can be?

[agentcthulhu]

WHERE IS THE REST OF IT?

I'm kidding. The Magic School Bus is a great show, I don't know if a live-action movie can be as magical as the cartoons.

[fickletastictot]

It has to be~ ♥

[(Anonymous)]

'But they made Watson a girl!' (they picked the best person who auditioned for the role and that happened to be Lucy Liu)

Watson was a woman in the script. Lucy Liu or no Lucy Liu, Watson was always going to be a woman in Elementary.

[maverickz3r0]

Oh really? Sweet. Learn something new every day.

[(Anonymous)]

The people who say it's not an adaptation are right though. The Granada series and Sherlock and even the Ritchie film adapt Doyle's stories (or at least some of them). Elementary is not a different take on the canon because as the creator of the show made clear, they're not tackling the canon. He said they're only going to create their own mysteries and not do any of Doyle's stories, and the goal was to take some of the character traits of Holmes and Watson but build their own back stories and make their own characters. It's an "inspired by" series like House or The Mentalist rather than an adaptation.

I know a couple of Holmes fans who were expecting it to be an adaptation and were disappointed because they didn't realize that the characters' backgrounds, experiences, careers, they way they meet, why they live together, etc. were all going to be changed and that none of the mysteries would be based on Doyle. It's completely fair for them to be disappointed because the early PR was misleading that it would be a literary adaptation rather than an original procedural. They weren't angry about it or anything, they just didn't continue watching it. Not everybody likes police procedurals.

[(Anonymous)]

+100

Thanks for this: that's a really good explanation, I think, of why I didn't care for Elementary all that much. It's not because Watson's a woman, or it's set in New York, or anything like that - you could definitely keep a more Doyle-like feel with both those factors intact. Seriously, if you're going to keep the character names and not even try to use Doyle's frameworks for plots or characterization or anything...then why keep the character names? Doyle wasn't the greatest writer or plotter ever--but he was a lot better than the Elementary scriptwriters!

Elementary isn't even the first time that either Watson or Holmes have been female! There have been a couple adaptations that did that, including a Russian one where they were both women. It's not all that groundbreaking. All that fan-hype about how incredibly feminist and progressive it is....haha, no, not once you've actually watched it!

It's not terrible. It's fine popcorn TV. But not liking it is not a sign of flawed character.

[(Anonymous)]

To me, the thought of a female Watson is still an intriguing idea. But Doyle's Watson as portrayed in A Study in Scarlet, a wounded veteran who is kind of caught between being haunted by previous experiences yet missing the adrenaline fix and purpose that life gave him/her, lacking any family or friends and being kind of aimless until a friendship with another oddball loner gives him/her purpose. Taking a character like that, who is strong yet vulnerable and has a background in medicine and the military, and making it a woman would be interesting and even kind of revolutionary for TV. That's what's most disappointing about Lucy Liu's Joan Watson, IMO, is because they took away all that potential and instead just replaced it with a cliched backstory that I feel has been done dozens of times on shows like Grey's Anatomy (female doctor who gets overwhelmed by the emotional toll of being a doctor and can't hack it, doesn't want to shame her parents, still wonders if that nice boyfriend she dumped was for her, etc.).

And probably because she's a woman, but they've made her Watson more a scold/babysitter and not an equal. I want my Holmes and Watson to be FRIENDS and like each other. She reminds me most of Sharona on Monk rather than a true Watson. Or like a later season version of Wilson when he became a big nag/scold all the time (now that they're making Miller's Holmes more like House).

[htebazytook]

I think both sides of the fandom war can come together and agree on Wishbone, at least