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Comments

Re: The J-Word (A Thread That Shall Explode in Wank, Just Watch)

[(Anonymous)]

You see, anon, the problem with some of orthodox believers is that they don't only dress modestly themselves, they want everyone around them to follow their example.

While you don't feel yourself opressed, somebody who lives in an orthodox environment and don't really appreciate all the religious things might be.

Not saying that being orthodox is bad or that you're bad or whatever.

Re: The J-Word (A Thread That Shall Explode in Wank, Just Watch)

[(Anonymous)]

yeah but see, most people who have some sort of moral ideal believe that others should follow those morals. Frankly, in a world where we have Shariya law, I don't think that some Orthodox Jews side-eying people for dressing immodestly is really a huge threat to society or anything.

By the way, part of living in a certain cultural environment involves respecting the people around you (I know, this isn't in vogue nowadays, but still). When I lived in East Asia, I bowed to people, even though I personally hate it. So if a person wants to dress immodestly - they're welcome to, but I think that a certain amount of taking others' feelings into account when they're in a space that specifically belongs to the community is just basic respect.

Either way that's not here nor there, because you're being reasonable about it, and not one of the shrieking haters. (which I really appreciate, by the way).

Re: The J-Word (A Thread That Shall Explode in Wank, Just Watch)

[(Anonymous)]

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Like women keeping their shoulders covered when visiting cathedrals in Italy. "When in Rome," quite literally.

Re: The J-Word (A Thread That Shall Explode in Wank, Just Watch)

[(Anonymous)]

Different anon here.

I think there's a difference between respecting cultural norms, and agreeing with them as moral codes, or refraining from critiquing them from a moral point of view. That someone should bear in mind insofar as possible the mores of the people around them as a matter of politeness and respect is true, but it doesn't make those mores correct or justify the moral code or its extension to people outside the group which believes in it. So it's certainly reasonable as a matter of respect that people should dress modestly amongst people who encourage dressing modestly, but that doesn't justify the extension of the moral commandment to dress modestly to all people.

I also think that pointing out that another group is worse is not really a defense of your own moral code. I mean, the fact that Sharia law is terrible and Orthodox Judaic customs are not too harmful doesn't mean that Orthodox Judaic customs are correct. But, it's true, it's not too big a deal. I think that the broader question here - regarding morality and religion and how we justify our morality - is probably one that's too broad for this comment thread. Deep waters there. So probably best to leave it at that.

Re: The J-Word (A Thread That Shall Explode in Wank, Just Watch)

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you that comparison is not always the way to go. I more meant that sometimes the way you see people tarring and feathering when it comes to Judaism, you'd think we were talking about something absolutely horrendous.

I'll also leave one more comment - Orthodox Judaism is basically regarding itself. It's not a missionary religion, and by and large doesn't actually demand that others live by that moral code.

I agree to leave the broader questions of morality aside, though.