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fandomsecrets2012-12-02 03:05 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2012-12-02 03:05 pm
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Sure, a lot of people don't study the etymology of the words they use. And a lot of people don't care either way. Bullshit like, "oh but words chaaaange and i didn't mean it THAT way! don't be so oversensitive." Not that it doesn't work, explaining the history and meaning, but definitely not every time. A group of college students are more likely to be open I'd assume, considering the point is to challenge what you and others think. A group of douchebags who don't like being told they're being a specific kind of douchebag? Nah.
"I don't want SJWs to be the first contact with SJ those people have...and start to hate minorities more out of bitterness..."
Are you kidding? Easily affected folk that decide to be racist to so stick it to those meanie SJWs are the kind of people you think would have been your ally? And loud angry voices aren't the only or first ones available to listen to. But hey, generalising and lumping everyone ever into a convenient PC crowd to scoff at is easier than doing your own research or stepping back to ask yourself, "hey. i seem to have upset a lot of people. was it something i said?" The ball's in their court to come to their own conclusions, whether or not they agree or disagree, or just filter in what's easier to respond to. It's just as generalising as the people who finds women crazy bitches because they've had bad experiences with them, or the person who hates immigrants because ooh how annoying those immigrant customers are, and so on.
I want SJWs to stop too, because I don't want actual allies thinking that attacking, threatening, etc. people who slip up is somehow a force for good. Not just because people are going to think I'm just like them and dislike me, or purposefully spite me, because that's a given (eg: "feminazi" and "too politically correct").
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Yes, actually. People forget that when you're not a minority, SJ issues are not the center of your life, and often aren't even in the peripheral zone. Being an ally or not is a whim for those kinds of people, and quite frankly sometimes people are just easily swayed or affected. I'd rather they be swayed in my favor rather than against it.
people are going to think I'm just like them and dislike me
Which is, again, the point I'm trying to make - the Feminazi trope social conservatives love to use to discredit real feminists is really hard to disprove when SJWs are going around acting exactly like that trope. They don't accomplish anything in favor of feminism (or any other social issue) and just add fuel to the bigots' fire.
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As if an annoying group is the reason people like Rush Limbaugh, iirc, even coined that term. They discredit because they disagree with these ideas. They pretend you're censoring them, and pull out whatever misconception they want to apparently prove their points. As far as I'm reading so far, you seem to be getting at sjws doing more harm than the bigots that fuel that fire.
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Again, most of us within these minorities probably grew up using some variation of bigoted language before we learned better, and most of us probably grew up with a few stereotypes before we learned better. Some people learn this stuff later than others. When they do learn this stuff, I'd rather it be someone reasonable who will at least take a moment to stop and say, "I know you think it's just a word, but using it is harmful. Not hurtful - harmful. Here's why, and please try not to use it again," instead of immediately shouting "OMG you fucking racist/sexist/homophobe/whatever". I don't think every person I stop and talk to will listen, I don't even think most will - but the few that will listen are above and beyond a good reason to take a second before I get my rage on.
Talking gets us all a lot more friends than yelling.
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