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⌈ Secret Post #2162 ⌋

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My friend kept pushing it on me, so I finally watched all of S1 this past weekend.

What's the fandom like? I think I've only seen some secrets on here, that to me indicated a pretty wanky place, but I might be wrong.

And feel free to share your favorite ships, characters, altered versions of fairytales!

(If you could mark S2 spoilers, though, that'd be great. The only things I know is some of the characters who appear in this new season, like Hook and Mulan.)

Fandom is... not as bad as other fandoms like Supernatural. I personally haven't been on the receiving end of wank, but there IS the occasional shipping wank or ship bashing.

If you're avoiding spoilers, it's a good idea to stay away from tumblr!

You'll find that the largest ships are Rumplestiltskin/Belle and Emma/Regina. (Personally, I got sick of that real quick, simply because of the oversaturation.) There are a MOTHERLOAD of other ships, though. At this point, I think I ship almost everyone. So that's fun!

There's a lot of fic on Ao3 and FF.Net, but I haven't found any decent fanart so far.

SA

(Forgot to add: If you're just writing fic/doing your thing and hanging out with fellow shippers, you should be fine! There are a few crazy shippers, but they make their presence known loudly and obnoxiously, so you'll know to avoid them.)

Neither of those ships come as a surprise! Though I did expect Snow/Charming to be one of the main fandom OTPs, because the show really did something quite interesting with them, turning a fairly bland fairytale pairing into a couple I could actually root for.

Still, I suppose Emma/Regina have an infinitely more interesting dynamic.

I think my favorite character is Rumpelstiltskin, but possibly only due to the fact that I love Robert Carlyle do his thing. That character is so messed up it's glorious.

Oh, I always avoid tumblr tags unless I am 100% up to date with the canon. But thanks for the warning and all the info!

I kind of hate the fandom, but it's mostly because there's so many people who ship things I not only don't like, but find actively disturbing.

I'm kind of eh on the show: on the one hand, wow, look at all those female characters at the forefront, and they're all pretty unique and are actually individuals! I will never stop enjoying how many men have gotten fridged (Graham! Daniel! David Nolan is a Strong Female Character!), it's hilarious.

On the other hand: wtf, the writer's hate-on for adoption. Also, David and MM's meebling in the first season nearly broke me. I would've stopped watching the show if it hadn't been for (SPOILERS FOR SEASON 2) the news of Mulan and Lancelot being included. But then the show had to go ruin both of them (Lancelot is pretty much officially out of the picture, and Mulan is so. dull.)

I still like Ruby, but her episode in S2 was pretty meh as well. So I dunno. I'm not sure if I'll last into S3.

yeah... i don't know if you've watched last night's episode. now, i'm pretty chill about shipping, and i don't generally get involved in discussions about queer-baiting... but that ending with aurora and mulan?
COME ON, WRITERS.

not to mention their awful track record with black characters. :(

i'm only really watching it because i want to know how it ends, and because of all the awesome female characters.

Lol, it actually kind of made me laugh: Mulan was LITERALLY fighting for Aurora's heart! And then woooo, Let's Go Get Philip! For some reason I'm not really into Mulan/Aurora (probably because they're both so. boring. to me), but I will be kind of tickled if Mulan/Aurora/Philip ends up being the Next Big Thing.

Lancelot :(

I'm watching because my friends are, because it's crack and easy to digest, and because I too am curious as to how it'll end. But mostly I like to complain about it (THE INK WAS USED TO WRITE THE NOTE HOW STUPID ARE ALL FOUR OF YOU JESUS CHRIST I FIGURED IT OUT THE MINUTE THEY SHOWED THE NOTE BUT EVEN WHEN THEY FOUND THE EMPTY INKWELL THEY DIDN'T REALIZE IT WHAT WHAT WHAT. And I didn't even remember the "spells were in the book" thing, if we ever saw Cora do magic that way.)

After seeing the Aurora/Mulan bit at the end there, nothing will convince me otherwise that they secretly aren't banging.

I find it a fluffy show - kind of like fanfic on-screen, really. Nothing high-minded or perfect, and yep, I can definitely see myself falling out of love with it eventually. The female character focus is lovely, the fact Regina's kid (he's her kid as much as Emma's, lbr) hates her not so much.

David/MM would've been as fun to watch as Snow/Charming if David wasn't such an idiot.

See, I hate this. How are they anti-adoption? Neil never gave up custody. If Regina was not such a horrid person she wouldn't have driven Henry away. Telling him he had issues and taking him to a therapist when she knew damn well he was not crazy was not loving in the slightest. There's also the fact that Regina kept tons of children away from their parents, she was long overdue to have some of her own medicine.

Emma was in jail for a little under a year. She wouldn't have been allowed to keep her baby and had absolutely no family or friends OR money due to Pinoch in which to take the child until she got out. I don't think the story with Regina/Emma/Henry is a normal adoption story. Don't forget what Regina did to Han. and Gret. either.

It's more the recurring theme of ~his real mother that gets to me with Henry. Like, Regina's a terrible human being, no question, and she's done unquestionably shitty things. But that should be the reason he prefers Emma, not the fact that she's his bio mom. Every time she (or someone else) trots out the "his real mom!", it grates on me; Regina may be an absolutely horrible terrible person, but none of that makes her any less of a real mother to the kid she did raise and care for and love.

Also there's the whole David Nolan situation: his mom giving his brother up (to make sure they both got some sort of security) was like this HORRIBLE HORRIBLE BETRAYAL instead of a necessary choice made in dire circumstances. His brother's adopted dad was a huge douche, too, so that's strike two against adoptive parents.

And then Emma: giving Henry up was unquestionably the best thing she could have done for him, just like Snow and Charming giving her up was unquestionably the best thing they could have done not just for her, but for everyone in the fairytale world, but both of these things have had to be justified and angsted over ad nauseum by everyone involved. And just to build extra ~angst, not only was her experience in the foster system shitty (not unrealistic, to be fair), the one time she was adopted (which yeah right, pretty white healthy blond baby would have had soooooo much trouble finding adoptive parents), they actually took her back when they gave birth to their "own" kid. Because that's just...something that happens? With people who adopt? Once they get a REAL kid the other one gets booted back?

Like, I would buy any single one of these things individual and accept that when you're building a narrative based on pretty old-fashioned stories (which were written at a time when blood relations WERE seriously more valued), some of that's going to bleed through. But at one point it just feels like a pattern? Especially compared to all the good "bio" parents: Snow and Charming sacrificing everything, Charming's mom dying so Snow could get pregnant (BECAUSE GOD FORBID SHE BE CHILDLESS AND IF SHE COULDN'T GESTATE IT IN HER WOMB THEN IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE THEIRS), Jefferson doing giving everything up for his daughter and then taking her away from the family that raised her in the intermediary years, etc, etc. The one bad bio-relative relationship is apparently Regina and her mother, but that doesn't exactly balance things out.

ETA: Regina may be an absolutely horrible terrible person, but none of that makes her any less of a real mother to the kid she did raise and care for and love.

What I mean by that, btw, is that as bad a mother as Cora is, for example, you wouldn't argue that she isn't Regina's real mother. The legality of the adoption is questionable, just from Rumple's involvement, but Emma certainly consented to it, and I'm not even sure Neil would've had to renounce his rights to the baby.

I think you're seeing things that aren't there, personally. Jefferson did not steal his daughter away from adopted parents. She was basically in a fog for twenty eight years, never aging or being aware of time. They were just babysitters, they were never adopted parents.

I just can not buy Henry is a ~terrible person for wanting his real mother. Regina kept him in the dark about something she was well aware of. What was her plan, continue telling him he was insane? Let him grow to adulthood while his classmates stay the same age for the rest of his life? Regina is finally getting her punishment for all the terrible things she has done. I see that more as a "Well, you can't force love, you have to change" rather than a "Oh em gee, adopted parents are soooo evil!"

And to be fair, personally, I think the woman who forced hundreds of children into a house where they were murdered+eaten by a witch just so she could have a magic item really doesn't deserve to have any children.

I'm not quick to go with the "Well other people see it too" defense, but...a lot of other people see it too, and they're not all shippers/Regina-stans/Henry-and-Emma haters. I think the problem is, honestly, that there's so few depictions of adoption in the media in general, and they're rarely positive, and when they're negative, that's significant. And you can't tell me Regina as Henry's adopted mother has been portrayed in a positive light.

Yeah, the "just babysitters" seems to be the prevailing attitude of any characters who raised kids that were biologically theirs in OUaT verse. That's kind of the problem. Like, whatever else was going on there, it seems like Grace was happy with those people, for 28 years, and that they treated her like their own daughter (which as far as they all knew, she was). It may not be a court-verified adoption, but it's definitely analogous to one. It's not impossible for her to love Jefferson as her dad and still feel some affection for the people she still remembers as raising her and treating her well, and maybe being torn between where she's going to live/how much she's going to see them, but that's not dealt with, it's just "Welp, that was all fake, off to my REAL father now!", despite other friendships and relationships in Storybrooke being legitimate and lasting.

I'm not saying Henry is a terrible person. Henry is a child, who's been lied to, a lot, and he's not the first adopted kid to be curious about his birth parents. My problem is not with Henry. When the show itself seems to legitimize Emma's claim to him purely on the fact that they're biologically related, I find that questionable. When it comes down to the dichotomy of the good, noble, brave, savior Bio Mom vs. the evil queen, witch, liar, Adopted Mom, that's troubling to me.

And whether or not Regina "deserves" children, would that even be in question if she had given birth to Henry herself? I've yet to see anyone complain about Rumplestilkin not "deserving" Bae despite being The Dark One.

It's extremely wank filled, sadly. A lot of "OMG THIS SHOW IS ANTI-ADOPTIOM, KILL EMMA OR HAVE HER DATE REGINA RAGEEE" Or "OMG THIS CHARACTER IS A RAPIST AND REGINA IS A BROKEN WOOBIE, BAHHH" or the ever popular "HOW DARE HENRY EXIST, HOW DARE HE CARE ABOUT HIS MOTHER AND NOT THE WOMAN WHO PRETENDED HE WAS INSANE FOR NOTICING THE TOWN WAS CURSED"

Wait until you meet a certain male character. Adoption warriors hate the living heck out of him.

oh lawd and that's why i avoid tumblr like the plague.

I was afraid that one of the central problems with this fandom would be that fascination with villainous characters often turns into excusing their bad behavior with some fans. I like Rumpelstiltskin and Regina because they make things interesting but doesn't mean they've not done bad things. :/

There is a lot of that, especially when it comes to Regina. What makes it frustrating is that so many people jump on your for bringing up her faults. Why does she deserve Henry's love over Emma? Look at what she did to him, and look at what she did to poor Jefferson. The trailer for the next half of the season made me cringe. I won't spoil it but it implied some serious regression ;/

Yea...it's impossible to delve into this fandom without seeing someone hating on Emma or Henry or saying that Regina needs a hug and how dare everyone be so cruel to her. I really do not dig the Once fandom. Which makes me sad, because I want to like it, but...it's just really unfortunate imo.

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