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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-05 05:21 pm

[ SECRET POST #2164 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2164 ⌋

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Re: LGBT*...A?

[personal profile] saku 2012-12-06 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
aces don't really belong under the lgbt umbrella, imo. the lgbt community is a safe space for people of sexual minorities. while you can argue asexuality is too a "sexual minority", nobody on the queer spectrum wants to have to deal with heteroromantic folks who don't face sexual attraction. that's really not what lgbt is about, and the most discrimination aces face is the occasional "have you seen a doctor" comment.

that being said i don't like that the lgbt community is so hostile towards aces but i understand not wanting them to be a part of the spectrum, if you feel me.

in addition, aces who aren't heteroromantic do fall under the lgbt spectrum imo, but not because of their asexuality. as someone else mentioned, aces and lgbt folks face very different issues, and there really isn't much the lgbt community can do for aces aside from raising awareness.

i'm ace but i'm also trans and biromantic, so i do call myself queer but i don't associate myself with aven or the lgbt community. i'd rather just be left alone to hide in my social shell
Edited 2012-12-06 07:48 (UTC)

Re: LGBT*...A?

(Anonymous) 2012-12-06 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
and there really isn't much the lgbt community can do for aces aside from raising awareness

It isn't about what they can do, but providing a "safe place" for people to go to. Support, information, friends, a place to talk about your "not normal" sexuality. LGBT* is a lot of the times just a group of people coming together to support one another on a common theme - sexual identity.
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Re: LGBT*...A?

[personal profile] saku 2012-12-06 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
lgbt is right in not always being so welcoming to aces, though. lgbt folks have to face violence and nonacceptance that aces never see, and for aces to come into their safe space when they aren't even queer (speaking more so in terms of hetero and nonro aces) is insulting. they might as well be straight, so the most lgbt people tend to be willing to do is accept those kinds of aces as allies.

no good lgbt community will turn away an ace that is queer in some form, and they're usually not unwilling to hear their experience as an asexual. but lgbt folks all can come together in the sense that they are sexual people who are shunned by society. aces and lgbt folks face entirely different issues in that regard. aces are better off finding sanctuary in aven or a local ace space, rather than trying to find support in the lgbt community.

firstly, because, as i said, the issues are different, and lgbt are not wrong in not wanting to hear an ace's sob story about how one time a guy said she was ace because she couldn't get laid. secondly, because lgbt people are often the very same people who are so unaccepting of aces to begin with. personally i've found more acceptance in my sexual orientation alone from straight people, so i wouldn't even bother trying to find support in the lgbt community if i wasn't also queer.

third, aven is already a great support place. there's no need to intrude on the lgbt community.