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People who say Lily should have chosen Snape over James.

Yes. They. Still. Exist.

Try liking all three characters in fandom while being okay with both James/Lily AND Snape/Lily. See how long you last in any fandom thread.

Preferring one of those ships over the other isn't okay to you?

It doesn't mean you have to take sides and hate the other character or hate that ship or whatever.

Oh, preferring one is fine. But there's this group of Snapefen that insist that canon Lily should have went with canon Snape over canon James and decry James as a horrible person overall, and say terrible things about Lily because she picked James instead.

And unfortunately they've completely ruined any chance of me ever wanting anything to do with Snape/Lily.

Well, yeah, I mean, *that's* obnoxious. It's not what you said, though. I like Snape/Lily and have had an experience (here on f!s) that makes me kind of afraid to say I like it because people will interpret that to mean I'm a horribly misogynist piece of shit. And I'm not saying she "should" have gone for Snape (that's...such a weird thing to say? canon would literally be completely different and besides, it's Rowling's story, not anyone else's) but I like exploring, what would have happened if she had? and talking about it.

Also I think James was just as douchey as Snape and I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing that out.

So when I see comments like yours (and I do every now and then) it makes me think that fandom is hating on that ship and its shippers to a waaaay unnecessary degree and will interpret anyone who says "I like Snape/Lily" in such a way that they automatically assume they have the attitude you outlined in this comment.

The thing with Harry Potter fandom is that if you like the same ship as a bunch of vocal people who like it, there's...not much you can do about it. I meant with my initial comment people who say horrible things about Lily (hence the 'should have chosen' phrasing) I didn't mean all Snape/Lily shippers; sorry about that since it seems I wasn't clear enough.

I used to like Harry/Hermione a great deal in fact and...yeah. I'll still read it, I just...don't like to bring it up.

if you like the same ship as a bunch of vocal people who like it, there's...not much you can do about it.

How is that my problem, though, or any shipper's problem? It's not my fault people can't disassociate me from another entirely different person/group of people who happen to have one opinion partly in common with me.

Disclaimer: I've never really been in the HP fandom beyond reading the occasional fic and having convos about it here, so.

No, it's not your fault. It's just...what happens. Particularly in HP fandom.

That's largely because the HP fandom has been (and in some parts still is) party to several large completely whackadoodle groups invested in certain pairings/characters. The original ones were the Harmonians (Harry/Hermione), and in some parts of the net you just do not mention shipping that at all, because it immediately invokes the reputation duly earned by that vocal group. The 'my ship should be canon, all Weasleys should die, Ginny was feeding Harry love potions and Ron becomes a Death Eater' people.

Ever since Book 7, there have been Snape fans saying terrible things about Lily and saying she should have loved him as if she was a prize to be earned or something. They've earned...somewhat of a reputation themselves. I'm pretty sure they've been written up on one of the fandom_wank or related comms on JournalFen at least once or twice. It's a spectacular fandom for wank at any time, really.

Now I'm sorry for bringing this up. It feels like some kind of sin to explain how messed up HP fandom is, particularly in regards to shipping.

Nah, it's okay. It's interesting from an outsider's point of view and it makes me glad I never got into that fandom. 0_0 It also helps explain why I got such shit for defending my liking of Snape/Lily. I was getting a lot of stuff that I didn't say thrown back at me...

The Ron-bashing thing, at least, isn't exclusive to Harmonians. =/ I find it really annoying actually. (I see it in fic every now and then.)

Also, I really like the word "whackadoodle". I might have to borrow it :P

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