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It really does seem to me that, at the moment, abortion really is the fundamental dividing issue of American politics - the one issue on which division is most intractable. People who are against abortion believe it is murder, and think any attempt to make it legal is a great evil; people who are for abortion think that it's a fundamental right of control over one's body, and that any attempt to get rid of it is terribly oppressive. They just fundamentally disagree, no real compromise is possible ("If you give away part of your fundamental self-sovereignty, we'll allow you to legalize a bit of murder!".

Even on issues like taxes and gun control and immigration where division is polarized and profound, there's still more possibility for compromise - there's a lot of people who care deeply about the issue who still accept that some people can disagree and not be evil, and there are shades of grey, where one person might agree in different degree. You can be against taxes but only up to a certain level X; you can be against immigration but not be xenophobic or opposed to certain kinds of reform. In abortion, it's just not possible - you're for it or against it. And this is only exacerbated by the state of abortion politics in this country - the only real way to affect the abortion debate is through the presidential election and putting justices who agree with you on the Supreme Court - this means that everything comes down to the Presidential Election, and the Presidential Election is a simple choice between a YES (murderer who hates babies) and a NO (vagina-hating man who wants to get rid of fundamental liberties).

So in other words - in this country, the most important political division is on abortion. It really drives a lot of fundamentalism in politics in a way that I'm not at all comfortable with - it leads to a lot of fanaticism and partisanship and rancor on both sides. and I think that's really unfortunate, and I don't see any solution to this problem. It's just an intractable issue that is pretty much going to remain a central issue in American politics for the foreeseeable future.

Very true. And you can see an example of the acrimony in the very first reply to this thread.

The truth hurts, doesn't it OP?

I don't believe it's the truth, so no not really. I just find it unfortunate that such childish thinking is so prevalent. One contrary position in a sea of positions all of a sudden makes somebody not only "shitty" members of their political party but also of their entire gender?

I think not.

What other ways might abortion be viewed, then? I'm genuinely interested in knowing what legitimate non-"fanatical" positions on abortion you perceive to exist.

I don't perceive any to exist, and that's why the issue frightens me so much.

I should be clear that I'm just being analytical above - in terms of my personal politics, I'm pro-abortion, and I can't see any way around to a compromise that would satisfy anyone or a way to view it that's not fundamentalist. It's just the way the issue is - and the fact that the issue is like that, and that it's so central to American political debate, is deeply frightening to me, because it implies to me that there's no way out of our present insanity.

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