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Different anon.

If I have a child with genetic defects, I'll abort the child. I know life will be very difficult for the child and I very likely won't be there to take care of him or her or advocate for his or her care when I'm old or dead. I love my children and as a parent, my children are my responsibility, not the responsibility of my relatives or my other children or the society. I choose to abort and not bring such a child into the world because I can't guarantee the care of my child and I don't want him or her to suffer.

You are sick.

I'm sick because I care about my child's well-being? Interesting.

If you think a kid is better off dead than disabled, and better off dead than a "burden to society"? Yeah, you're sick.

My body, my choice, bro.

*sigh* there really is no way to respond to a comment like this without being grossly politically incorrect and probably starting abortion wank.

I'll just say that that statement is way oversimplifying the issue.

Not really, it isn't. I can have an abortion any time I want, for any reason I want. That's bodily autonomy for you.

Okay, well, um...

Your body is not the only one involved. That is why it isn't simple.

It is according to the law.

I like how when the thing you agree with happens to be law, you use the law to argue your point. Should we just follow every law that's every been passed ever, or should we maybe consider the situation from a perspective of right and wrong and *then* apply law based on that conclusion? And from there, maybe work to change laws we don't agree with?

My point is, "it's the law" isn't really an argument.

Also, I'm not sure whether I'm more amused or annoyed that this conversation is still going on days after this post. That doesn't usually happen.

Edited 2012-12-21 06:27 (UTC)

I'm not using it to "argue my point", I'm stating it as fact. It's the law, so it's simple: I can do whatever I want with my body, and you can do whatever you want with yours. If you feel that abortion is wrong in (insert case here) then don't have one in said case. I feel differently, and I would have one.

The moment you try to control someone else's body because of your personal beliefs, you've lost the argument. I am not your brood mare, and nor is any other woman.

Stating it's the law is kind of stating the obvious so I guess I was confused as to why you would do that. *shrug*

I'm not making any statements here about abortion other than pointing out that there are always two bodies involved. You can believe whatever you want about the relative importance of those two bodies. I don't take a political stance against all abortion; I don't think that is a good idea. But I'm not going to pretend it isn't a complex issue.

Nope. Why bring a child into the world that will only suffer? That's even more sick imo.

You think people with genetic defects ONLY suffer and enjoy no part of their lives? Then you're just plain stupid. And thinking someone is better dead than suffering at all? EVERYONE suffers at some point in life. By that logic anyone who gives birth to any baby is sick.

Anyway you pretty much just insulted lots of people I know who gave birth to kids with genetic defects, so... screw you.

Nope. Because I do not include Aspies, Downs, or anyone who has a manageable, livable defect.

A child that has Tay–Sachs or, I can't remember the name, but the disease that ends up them drowning from having so much fluid in their lungs, anything that basically has them completely bed ridden, no way to communicate and interact, THAT is what I'd abort for. Cause I see that as unimaginable suffering on their part. And I'd not have the patience for it.

And guess what? I have a defect. So, screw your fucking self.

Uh, then maybe you should have actually mentioned that?

Regardless, screw you anyway for calling other people sick for not aborting in those cases.

Yay!! Putting more words in my mouth!! I THINK it should happen, not that I would force it.

And thank you anon!! :D Cause allowing a child to live in that kind of agony and suffering...I have no respect for those people.

Honestly? I think this response is a real cop-out. There is NO WAY you can guarantee that life won't be difficult for your children. You don't know what they're going to go through even if they're perfectly healthy, genetically speaking. And deciding for someone that their life will be too difficult for them to want to live it is really wrong imo.

If my mother had followed your reasoning, I'd never have been born!

It's a sign of weakness and selfishness on the part of the parent if he or she can't bear to raise a child with "genetic defects," not a sign of responsibility and love. Behind the statement "I don't want him or her to suffer" is the sense of "I don't want to suffer through this child."

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