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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-18 06:35 pm

[ SECRET POST #2177 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2177 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2012-12-19 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Jesus fucking Christ. You are not the character that you love. Somebody else hating that character is not an indictment on you. Fiction. Reality. Two separate things. And whatever fantasy life you've built up in your head is a third thing entirely.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-19 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
You are not the character that you love. Somebody else hating that character is not an indictment on you

Er, people can be upset about something even if it doesn't insult them personally. You honestly think that if you think a real person you know is a really good and wonderful human being, you won't be pissed at someone who hates that person, even if they don't dislike you?
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[personal profile] femme_androgyne 2012-12-19 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
Hating a real person is different from disliking a fictional character. Hate is stronger than mere dislike (the word OP used), for one thing. If someone told me they hated my sister, I would think they were an ass. For one thing, why are you telling me this? She might not be perfect (and I would know--I'm the one who shared a bedroom with her for six years), but she's my sister. That's just uncalled for. If someone told me they dislike my sister, on the other hand, or just don't want to spend time around her, I would just shrug it off. She's my sister. She's not perfect. She can be annoying and petty, and not every person is going to have a personality, set of interests, etc. that are compatible with hers. Unless you're a geek social fallacy subscriber, I'm sure you can accept that part of life is people you like not always liking each other.

Also, fictional characters are not real people. They can be inspiring, entertaining, etc., but they don't have feelings to hurt, and, ultimately, the worlds they inhabit are flawed by the imperfections of their writer(s). If someone dislikes a character for not being believable or because (s)he belong to a genre that doesn't "work" for them, is that really worth being upset over?

(Anonymous) 2012-12-19 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I mean, you're right, but this is a community where a person can think another person is literally evil, and the kind of person who is likely to abuse their spouse or kill a pet, because they took a little bit of schadenfreude in seeing TNG get retconned out of existence by the events of NuTrek

so, you know, there's only so much you can expect from f!s in this regard

(you're totally right though)

(Anonymous) 2012-12-19 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
...but nu!Trek didn't retcon TNG out of existence.

/totally missing the point
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[personal profile] femme_androgyne 2012-12-19 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
+1

It's a separate universe, and its fans can feel free to pry Data out of my cold, dead hands. /Less said about Nemesis the better

(Anonymous) 2012-12-19 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
well yeah it was a really, really stupid argument

(Anonymous) 2012-12-19 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
this is a problem with lots of people in general, not just fandom (people thinking that you not liking the things they like means you don't like the person; taking a criticism of their likes as a personal criticism and being offended, etc.)

some people say that it's the result of a consumerism identity being pushed on everyone, but I think it's a more human thing than just that

(Anonymous) 2012-12-19 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
My friends like/dislike vastly different things, many of which do not overlap with my own likes/dislikes, and I don't give a shit. But I do think sometimes a person's feelings about fictional characters can be just as revealing as their feelings about real people.

For example, if someone said to me "Oh I just don't like Fictional Character X because I think she's a slut", I would judge them just as hard as if they said "I don't like Real Person Y because I think she's a slut". I think that's what OP was getting at, and frankly I don't think that's unreasonable or has anything to do with projecting. Feelings about fictional things can 100% be real life revealing.
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[personal profile] citrinesunset 2012-12-19 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Disliking a character/something else I like isn't a problem. But the ways people express their dislike can be revealing sometimes. It's not about fiction vs. reality but about what people see in fiction, and how they treat others.

For example, if someone expresses dislike of a character by calling her a slut, that can be a warning sign. And if someone bashes things I enjoy a lot, then I can start to feel like they aren't showing me respect. When someone I care about likes something I don't care for, I try not to harsh their squee.