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I'll be blunt-Gun lovers need an excuse, because they refuse to realize that the problem is the damn guns. The excessive amount of lethal weapons people have in this country is ridiculous. You aren't going to go hunting with that kind of fire power. You will NEVER have to fight off zombie hordes or fend off your property from bandits.

I've known plenty of people with mental disorders that were some of the sweetest people I've ever known. It's sad that we can't have a discussion about gun control without someone frothing at the mouth about how 'the govenmant tryin to take 'er gurns away'

The thing is, guns HAVE sometimes prevented burglaries or worse from happening. (For example, a few months ago a girl was home alone when someone broke into her home. She hid in the bathroom with a pistol and called 911, but the guy broke into the bathroom where she was, and she shot him. There's no telling what would've happened to her if she hadn't had something to protect her.) And the reason why people "froth at the mouth" is because of...well, language like that. These people feel that they have a right to protect themselves, and then they get rhetoric thrown at them that they're all a bunch of brainless hillbillies while being told that this right, which is important to them, is the cause of all the problems in society--well, how do you expect them to react?

"Gun lovers" aren't the source of all that's evil in America any more than the mentally ill are. (Or the LGBT community or straight people or Christians or Athiests or Democrats or Republicans or white people or POC whatever other group we like to point fingers at.) It's much more complex than that, and the sooner we realize that then maybe political discourse will improve and we can start maybe trying to understand the issues better than going on a mad search for some monster to hold up every time a tragedy happens.

Gun control=/=all guns banned, ohmergerd. There are certain guns that SHOULD be outright banned, but that doesn't mean every gun should.

I didn't say that it was. In fact, I'm for banning assault rifles. My objection was to two parts of the comment I responded to:

1. "You will NEVER have to fight off zombie hordes or fend off your property from bandits." - This was what my first paragraph was about, showing that yes, sometimes people have to defend their property or themselves from people breaking into their homes. This IS a thing that happens. Guns HAVE saved lives in these cases.

2. The overall tone painting the opposing side as backwater idiots, for example "It's sad that we can't have a discussion about gun control without someone frothing at the mouth about how 'the govenmant tryin to take 'er gurns away'" This was my main objection, and in particular what I addressed in my second paragraph.

Maybe if you (assuming you were the initial anon I responded to) learned to both read the comment you're responding to and not jump to conclusion people wouldn't "froth at the mouth" when you discussed your political beliefs.

Frankly, I don't give a shit if the gun owners are using it as an excuse if it gets us to having a mental health care system in this country that actually works.

Ideally, yes, we'd also have rational gun control laws and less of a culture of guns and less of a paranoid element amongst our citizenry. But I'm hardly going to throw away support for a measure I think is good and necessary because it comes from people I disagree with and for a reason I dislike.

But the amount of guns owned isn't actually the problem.

Switzerland has high levels of gun ownership, and yet last year, its rate of gun-related homicide was .5 compared to our 3.7. We have cultural issues that go far beyond the availability of guns, and we have no desire to deal with them.

But these mass shootings aren't all from mentally ill individuals. Some are doing it for crime, others are doing it for 'revenge'. We, as Americans, have a very violent "me-me-me!" culture. Yes we need better options for the mentally ill, especially for children who are mentally ill, but that doesn't mean that the problem isn't guns. because yes, guns are part of the problem. Why do normal citizens need high sustaining clips? Do you know since the shooting guns sales have gone through the roof? Especially on the gun that man used to murder those innocent children?

This is insane.

...I don't understand why you're saying that not all shootings are by mentally ill individuals when I did not mention the mentally ill at all.

I said that it's a cultural issue, and that altering gun laws will therefore not solve the underlying problem. I don't think we actually disagree.

It's important to consider what kinds of guns make up gun ownership in Switzerland, as well as why Swiss citizens own those guns. From my very quick check-up on Swiss gun laws, gun ownership is mandated by Switzerland's "people's militia," suggesting that gun ownership is tied to conceptions of national defense and social responsibility. The Swiss government mandates and directly sponsors gun training.

How does that compare to the "gun culture" of the U.S.?

SA: I'm agreeing with you, by the way!

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That's actually the crux of my point. The culture and the social attitudes regarding guns are very different there, and so the proliferation of guns does not correspond to homicide rates in the same way that it seems to in the US.

We can't solve the problem without digging to its roots. The fact is this: we elevate violence, and we need to stop doing that before we can effect any meaningful change.

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