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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-18 06:35 pm

[ SECRET POST #2177 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2177 ⌋

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Re: Episode morals that make you mad?

[personal profile] inkmage 2012-12-19 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
Feeling Pinkie Keen, which is sort of an interesting case for me. If they hadn't quantified the lesson, I'd probably have been okay with it.

The lesson was supposed to be something like, "Even though you can't explain it, sometimes you just have to know that it works, and that's enough," which - just - ugh. No. That is Bad Science. That is Bad Life Skills. "Stop asking questions" is not a valuable lesson and a good thing to teach to small children.

Actually, if they'd just changed the wording, I'd have been happier. "Just because you don't know how a thing works doesn't mean that it isn't working." It was just the implicit (or maybe explicit - it's been a while) message that if you don't know how it works, you should give up and go home that really bugged me.

But a much better moral would have been, "If you want to get reasonable answers, don't spend your time being unreasonable." Twilight spends a fair portion of the episode denying the Pinkie Sense exists, and then gets impatient testing Pinkie to see how it works, without pausing to consider other factors. She's so set in the idea that there's nothing else to magic but what unicorns can do that she can't see anything else but that. Now, if that's a law of physics in Equestria, that's great, and Twilight's incredulity is a bit more justified. But the way it's presented is as though someone who has never seen an airplane before is looking at one zooming around and expressing disbelief that the thing actually stays up in the air.

That was a lot more wordy than I thought it would be.

Re: Episode morals that make you mad?

(Anonymous) 2012-12-19 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
No, no, I agree.

I think the lesson they were shooing for was: "Your friends' religion beliefs are important to them, so even if you can't explain them or you disagree, it is best to respect them for the sake of the friendship (as long as they're not actually hurting someone)."

But then they missed the mark epically because they were tip-toing around the "religion" part of it and tried to disguise under Pinkie Pie's randomness, which could work if this wasn't a setting where MAGIC IS FUCKING REAL.

Re: Episode morals that make you mad?

(Anonymous) 2012-12-19 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
Mmm, I don't they meant 'Stop asking questions' with that moral - just that there *are* some times when you [as an individual] can't explain things, and insisting that they don't exist or that your beliefs are always The Right Ones isn't, well, right.

At least, that's how I took it - and I can't really argue with it.

Re: Episode morals that make you mad?

(Anonymous) 2012-12-19 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
Came to mention this episode!

I agree so much with you :/
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Re: Episode morals that make you mad?

[personal profile] eaten_by_bears 2012-12-19 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
Absolutely! Pinkie was totally chill about Twilight's approach, and Twi was disrespectful. That doesn't mean that Twilight's skepticism was wrong. And I was really annoyed that the rational, scientifically minded character wanted to dismiss evidence that didn't fit her theory rather than altering the theory to fit new evidence!