[ SECRET POST #2177 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2177 ⌋

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Comments

Re: OP all-purpose response (Re: Mass shootings and The Mentally Ill)

[(Anonymous)]

You don't see the nuance because everything you've quoted is either from a) an intrinsically biased source or b) from a commenter.

You are cherry-picking in order to support your supposition.

Re: OP all-purpose response (Re: Mass shootings and The Mentally Ill)

[eaten_by_bears]

The point isn't that the most levelheaded and respectful people are saying these things. The point is that a lot of people are saying them, enough to influence culture and potentially policy.

Re: OP all-purpose response (Re: Mass shootings and The Mentally Ill)

[(Anonymous)]

The case where the internet commenters and people from extremists blogs like this are capable of influencing policy and are indicative enough of mass opinion to be worth paying attention to is the case where you run the fuck out of the USA because we're all fucked, though.

Like, if what you're saying is true and this kind of paranoic fringe has enough of a voice to set policy, American politics is essentially doomed. It's bad enough that this wing of American politics exists & is as self-reinforced as it is, but it would be much worse if they were an important part of the national discourse that merits any attention.

Re: OP all-purpose response (Re: Mass shootings and The Mentally Ill)

[eaten_by_bears]

You can't ignore people's potential political power just because they're not arguing logically. The Tea Party should have taught us that, if nothing else.

And regardless of their ability to influence the law, they're doing a very effective job of perpetuating a dangerous stigma. That's a problem on its own.

Re: OP all-purpose response (Re: Mass shootings and The Mentally Ill)

[(Anonymous)]

They're perpetuating that stigma, yes, but mostly within their closed-off, self-reinforced world. Which is BAD, yes, but which still is fundamentally limited.

I guess my broad point is that I don't believe that the people saying things like "Lock up everyone with mental illnesses" have the kind of broad reach to seriously effect the consensus on mental health and the response to Sandy Hook. And so basing your opinion of any movement to improve the mental health system that eventually comes out of Sandy Hook on comments like these is not necessarily valid. And if it is valid, and comments like these have serious play and do affect our debate in more than a second-order way - I mean, yes, every vote affects something, and they drive politics to the right, but I mean if they're a serious part of the conversation and the eventual consensus - we all have bigger things to worry about than mental health treatment in this country, and need to start making serious plans about leaving the country.

Because those people are terrifying.