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⌈ Secret Post #2180 ⌋

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[Fraiser]

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[Homestuck]

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[Kili/The Hobbit]

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09. [SPOILERS for the Walking Dead]

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10. [SPOILERS for How I Met Your Mother]

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12. [WARNING for abuse]

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[American Horror Story Asylum]

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[MLP: FiM]

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[Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen]

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[Doctor Who]

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18. [WARNING for IRL murder/shootings]

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I think there are a few problems with this reasoning.

One, there's a difference between supporting a cause and getting involved in it. I've known women who were put off from getting involved in feminist organizations because they had some bad experiences with groups they'd tried joining. This is understandable. However, these women still supported many of the things feminists fight for, such as pay equality and reproductive freedom. Deciding you don't believe in women's rights or gay rights or racial equality because you had a bad experience with some people is no one's fault but your own. If you only believe in social justice when you personally like the individuals you're supporting, then I question your conviction. And frankly, I resent the idea that I should have to actively suck up to people in order to have things like protection from discrimination.

Related to that first point, this reasoning isn't limited to stuff like you're describing. It can also be used to police how people act even when they're not hurting anyone. I've seen LGBT people criticize other LGBT people who are "too" butch or effeminate, or who are into drag, because this is "threatening" to homophobes. The implication is that we all have a responsibility to make ourselves palatable to our oppressors if we expect to have equality. How is that reasonable?

Finally, people who are bigoted and have a strong bias against a group of people will often use anything they can to support that bias. There can be a lot of confirmation bias, and a lot of people are literally never pleased. It doesn't matter how "nice" people are, there's always a reason, in their mind, to discredit the cause. So you really can't win.

None of this is an excuse to act like SJWs do. Nor do I argue with the idea that SJWs do more harm than good when it comes to educating people and rallying support. But putting all the responsibility on them takes responsibility away from other people to be reasonable and have empathy.

Not my point. My point is that people who ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ISSUE AT HAND will be turned away from or even against it if all their exposure comes through jerks, and that this phenomenon, and the backlash against extremism that you see in EVERY movement ever, is directly caused by those nutjob extremists.

I understand what you're saying, and I agree that SJWs make it harder, not easier, for people to understand the issues at hand, relate to them, and get involved. No argument there. And I would say that SJWs can make it harder for people to understand subtle issues and arguments. But I maintain that anyone who would turn their back on social justice entirely because of the actions of a few people they encounter probably has the wrong idea to begin with. You should support things like liberty and rights because you believe it's ethical.

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