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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-22 03:14 pm

[ SECRET POST #2181 ]


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(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
If you look at images of Sami from the early 1900s and before, like when the story is set, they look much less white.

Example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Saami_Family_1900.jpg

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I...don't see how they don't look white?

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
facial structure and skin tone don't look very typical nordic white, plus they are dark-haired (but white people are often dark haired so that's moot), imo

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Facial structure and skin tone vary greatly between white people, though. Even if they don't look the same as Nordic white, that doesn't mean they're not still white. Plus, ethnicity =/= race, so you can have a group that are a different ethnicity than the general population, but still white.
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[personal profile] mekkio 2012-12-22 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
You mean turn of the last century photos like these?










Nope. Still looks white.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-24 06:22 am (UTC)(link)
Hi, part Sami here.

My aunt (otherwise Swedish, Irish, Scottish, German, Welsh, and French) is a throwback and spent much of her childhood being harassed for looking East Asian. Her own family joked that she was the adopted Korean child because she looks completely out of place in the midst of an otherwise white family (though my mother also has slightly 'Asian' features and the resemblance is close enough that it's obvious they're blood relatives). There is no denying that there is a typical Sami look that has long lead people to believe that they and the Finns have stronger ties to Asia than other Europeans.

In the top photo, you can see the prominent cheekbones and crescent shaped eyes(quite honestly, I can't look at 90% of the men in that photo and think "white"). The older generation in that photo looks more typically Sami than the younger, indicating intermarriage with white Scandinavians because, shockingly, there are Scandinavians who have had relations with Sami people and have produced children, some of whom more closely resemble the white Scandinavian side.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-24 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
*Newsflash* White people don't only come with one skull shape. If you think that then you start trampling into "The Aryan Race" territory.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-25 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
In case you missed the "otherwise Swedish, Irish, Scottish, German, Welsh, and French", I'm well aware that white people vary incredibly. In addition to those, my paternal ancestry includes Hungarian and Italian. But the fact remains that my aunt, who has been mistaken for East Asian most of her life, most closely resembles our Sami ancestors who have long been suspected, along with the Finns, of being more Asian than other Europeans, partly because of their language and partly because of their atypical for European looks.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you kidding? The photos are old and have often been colored afterwards. Not to mention that the guy in picture might have forgotten to wash the soot off his face.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
And there is the "people with pale skin who spend their entire lives out of doors no longer have very pale skin" factor...