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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-22 03:14 pm

[ SECRET POST #2181 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2181 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that shit writing is going to be shit writing and reflect on the characters no matter what. But I think half the problem is that some people seem to think that when a character is not a white dude, that their not white dudeness is ALL that they are. So, instead of just writing a good character who happens to be female, they write FEMALE!characters, and the end result often ends up being pretty shitty and stereotypical.

It would be nice to see a shift in this mindset and see more good writers not afraid to move away from straight, white and male being their automatic go-to. There's nothing wrong with straight, white male characters, but it does get repetitive and unimaginative after awhile.
Writers should just stop and consider why they can't just make a character female or black or hispanic or queer. There are some characters that are going to need to be white, straight dudes, but not all or even most of them. Just look at what they did with the BSG remake - that's how you switch things up in the right way. And yeah, some people will screw it up and there's going to be criticism no matter what, but that shouldn't stop people from trying. The only reason things change is because you have people who are willing to take chances in the first place.
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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2012-12-22 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't disagree with anything you said, but I tend to find the sort that wrote FEMALE! characters wasn't' doing all that good with the straight white guy characters either. I'll say again... bad writers tend to have bad writing period.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT - I totally agree about the FEMALE!characters. Shitty writers are going to screw up most of their characters, really. I think they usually just get less criticism of their white dude characters since there are more of them around, so people aren't stuck in that weird mindset that all characters that are white and male represent all white males everywhere.
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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2012-12-22 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
That said though, I dont' think there's anything wrong with writers challenging themselves. But I'd rather have a general "lets get some ideas I'd never have and see if I can do them, give me your requests folks" sorta deal or go to one of the memes, kink or otherwise. If that makes your work more diverse, go for it. I just don't think any one thing as simple as "write about this group or peoples" is the universal answer.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
This is why the Social Justice Warrior fringe, is so dangerous to real diversity, and change.

They scream at white writers for more diversity, then scream when they get it because it 'isn't done right', then scream with white writers and people ask them how to improve and get better.

...and the people doing the screaming, are also white.

It's insanity.
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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2012-12-22 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
which is why we should all either stop caring about them or mock them for the idiots they are.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
It's high time for that insanenoodlyguy, we are well past due taking these people seriously.
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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2012-12-22 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Bee avatar's aren't necessary. :P