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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-22 03:14 pm

[ SECRET POST #2181 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2181 ⌋

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[identity profile] cherrycoloured.livejournal.com 2012-12-22 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, as I said...

I'm not saying that this comic couldn't be good, or that adding women or PoC would automatically make it better, but in the long run, trying new things will improve one's creativity, as well as how one sees the world around them.

Of course there are terrible stories that have a lot of diversity (lol hi Glee), and great ones that have mostly white dudes (way too much to count). However, if someone genuinely tried to make a good character who happens to be female and/or PoC, in the long run it will benefit because they'll be able to know about more perspectives. Tokens are a bad thing, and they are not what I am talking about.

People might get critique if they write a character in a problematic way, but making mistakes and learning from them is part of the process. A creative person can't be afraid of failure if they want to put their work out into the open.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a good comment.
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[identity profile] cherrycoloured.livejournal.com 2012-12-22 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you :)
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[personal profile] cloud_riven 2012-12-23 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
Agreeing with anon: this

I'd rather even negative representations exist, because I simply want there to be a range of them. Dudes are typically allowed to be flawed, dull, weak, and generally fail as characters/leads all the time, so why is it seen like a writer only has ONE shot to get everyone else right.
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[identity profile] cherrycoloured.livejournal.com 2012-12-23 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
I admit I'm a little confused by your comment. Do you mean like a writer fails to portray a certain group correctly, or characters with intentional flaws?
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[personal profile] cloud_riven 2012-12-23 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
By flawed here, I actually meant bad. As in bad characters. Or not compelling. flat. Boring.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
not oc, but it seems like minority characters have to be absolutely flawless in order to pass the fandom test, whereas your standard white dude can have as many flaws as he wants, because apparently every minority character is The Official Representative Of All Minorities Ever and can't have any problems or else the creator MUST be saying that all minorities are like that.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-26 07:17 am (UTC)(link)
It's because a lot of the time, that one minority character is the only person of their particular group, which makes it a lot more loaded. If you have six white male characters on a show, it really doesn't mean much if one of the characters is an absolutely evil asshole. If you only have one black female character on the show (for example) it IS a lot worse to make her be an absolutely evil asshole because she's essentially the "token."

I don't really hear a lot of people complaining about the sexism in making Jenna an ~evil bitch~ on Pretty Little Liars, and I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that her character is more than balanced out by the many strong female protagonists on the show. Her character would take on a different flavor if instead of Aria, Hanna, Emily, and Spencer, we had Adam, Hansel, Emmitt, and...okay, Spencer.