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People who try to claim that shipping a m/m or f/f pairing makes them an LGBT ally is annoying and really needs to stop. Also, forcing anyone out of the closet, even if they are actually LGBT (and, uh, I don't think you can force someone out of the closet if they're straight... just saying), is a vile thing to do. Just because someone is famous, that does not make their sexuality anyone else's business.

Forcing someone out of the closet is down right dangerous. What the fuck.

1 - I wasn't sure if this was people just cataloguing it wrong or if it's something to do with Ao3, but it's annoying.

2 - I'm a shipper, and I agree. Not everything has to revolve around romance, and tbh, I usually prefer it to stay inside fandom. It's not that hard to write something that doesn't involve two people kissing/boning/making googly eyes at each other.

2 - I agree, fandom does romance better than canon anyhow.

+1 on #2.

I wish more media would be gen, and hint at all whole bunch of pairings, so we could play with it however we want in fandom, rather than having to sit through awkward, badly-developed romances.

+1 on your +1

No one ever has the right to force someone else out of the closet. Ever. Nor does anyone have the right to decide that somebody else is "supposed to be" GLB instead of straight. Ship what you want. Write RPS, whatever. But leave the actual people alone.

Serious question - what's your thought about a Roy Cohn-type of situation, where someone who is a closeted homosexual is also politically active against gay rights or is engaged in whatever bigoted or discriminatory activities? Is there a point at which outing such a person would be kosher?

Honestly, you shouldn't have to out someone as engaging in gay activity just to prove that fighting against gay rights is wrong. Where does that leave you with all the bigots who don't experience homosexual attraction? I'd rather see a closeted bigot talked down for being a bigot than talked down for being in the closet, and I say that as someone who is queer.

Fair enough. It's just something that I've seen people talk about and use to justify that kind of behavior, and I was curious what you thought about it. I think your point is more than reasonable.

I totally agree. Outing someone like that tends to have that same undertone of "gay is wrong" that people are trying to argue against. Overall it's a pretty cheap tactic and doesn't really do much to address the bigoted views in question.

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I feel the need to say rabidly and instantly, "NO." It's never okay to out someone, not because omg it will destroy them! but because it's none of your damn business if they want to keep it secret or not, no matter what their politics are.

And it might destroy them. You never actually know what the consequences might be for their life.

as someone who is LGBT I hate when some hypocritical anti-gay evangelical gets outed, not only because I believe it's wrong to out people (even assholes), but also because it means that non-LGBT people can shrug their shoulders and say "not our problem, this was one of your own!" and once again LGBT inequality is defined as being mainly a problem within the LGBT community, and not as a result of a largely bigoted straight/cis community. it gives people an excuse to miss the point, and ugh... idk, I hope this makes sense. just trying to explain why I don't feel any kind of happy glee when some senator or priest is outed, I don't want him to be one of us, and I don't want non-LGBT people to get the impression that the only people oppressing gay people are other gay people. :/

Now you know why I prefer Classic Who and won't really touch the new stuff. Occasional romantic subplots for some characters that never took over the show vs. romantic arcs for all everywhere and usually as the main plot.

Broken link 2: I...kinda agree. I won't say I don't love romance and shipping because I'd be lying, but not every single show (or other piece of media) needs a big romantic storyline to be ~interesting~. There are some occasions where I wish the media wouldn't go there at all (I hope Person of Interest stays away from it, wish House had been lighter on it, and the majority of SGA romances were just...no) because romances are often poorly written and change the dynamic of the characters in a way I can't enjoy. (Maybe even change the show itself in a way that I find negative. I've heard a lot about Bones in this regard, but don't watch it myself.) So...yea, I do kinda agree, though I like it if it's well done, it's just not always necessary.

This reminds me a lot of "Lost". If the show hadn't spent half the subplots on the love stories, I think we would have gotten a lot more answers to the questions the show brought up answered in a better way.

However, I kind of don't regret some of the choices made to make some subplots into love stories. Like, Charie and Claire or Desmond and Penny.

I get what you mean, though, because some of my favorite movies have nothing to do with a romance plot/subplot. I actually hate it when movies force in romance subplots. Like those goddamn Pirates of the Caribbean movies with fucking Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightly's fucking stupid love shit. The first one felt all right, I didn't mind it at all, but the second and third one really pissed me off that Will and Elizabeth were back and they had to ~find~ one another again. And don't even get me started on the fourth movie with the missionary and the mermaid.

LOL The Kpop fandom is filled with so many "These two are lovers in secret because they're a popular pairing and they do a lot of fan service! COME OUT OF THE CLOSET YOU TWO WE KNOW YOU'RE GAY!" it's ridiculous.

NAAAWW-thing COM-pares
NAW-thing COM-pares

... i'd better edit this to say these are pete doherty & carl barat because internet :[

Edited 2012-12-26 01:46 (UTC)

Ugh my god, I can't stop staring. I'm still kind of heartbroken over them.

Perhapse you would enjoy Dragnet. I'm pretty sure there were no romantic subplots.

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