[ SECRET POST #2185 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2185 ⌋

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Comments

[wldcatsprstr_14]

I think it's a totally different situation though. Because the Doctor has the option but he also has a ton of responsibility. We've seen what happened when he wasn't around to fix things (Turn Left). He carried the burden of often being the only one with the knowledge to say tons of people. He couldn't just end it cuz 1)he knows what would happen if he wasn't around to step in, and 2)as Ten shows us, he likes living.

So to be driven to continue living by a burden that often forces you to make a horrible choice that just happens to be less shitty than the other horrible option? And then to have to keep changing your face over and over? Is it really so hard to believe that the Doctor may hit a point where he just wants to stay the same? Keep the same face, the same body, the same voice? I mean, if I'm gonna be forced to live on because my compassion won't let me off myself, I think the least that the universe could do was let me keep my face! It's like when people feel like their lives are spinning out of their control and they do something drastic to try to regain it (e.g cutting their hair, getting a tattoo, mid-life crisis, etc). I see Ten's 'fuck the universe for taking everything from me, including my face!' as kinda like that. Yes, he said awful things to Wilf but I also never really saw it as him saying them to Wilf. I took it more as a case of broken internal monologue. Like him reading his diary out loud. All the dark not-so-nice things a person might think and write where they think no one will see, but multiplied by 100 because Ten is a Timelord and very different from humans, however much he may be similar in certain ways.

People keep citing immortality and regeneration as reasons that Ten shouldn't be angry about dying but I think that when you live forever, constantly moving, never being able to settle, you come to want some sense of permanence. Some control over your life. And while the Doctor may exercise a lot of control over other people's lives, it can be argued that he has no control over his own. Being the last of the race that used to govern time and space kinda forced responsibility on him. He tried turning his back on the rules and doing it his way (i.e doing what he wants (Timelord Victorious) and not doing anything at all (Eleven after the Ponds left), but both times he was drawn back by responsibility and by his nature).

If I had to do all that, I don't think waking up to find I had the same face every morning would be a lot to ask for.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, this is annoying. I know I replied to you, but the reply doesn't appear to be here. Damn it. :(

Anyway, I basically said that the Time Lords are really lucky, and the Doctor doesn't seem to realize it. I understand feeling upset and scared and being angry. I know he wasn't really angry with Wilf or really talking directly to him. But I still think it was unnecessary and kinda childish.

And the things like having his life endangered, having to regenerate a lot, etc, are his choice. So while I understand being angry sometimes, it's still not very fair. He doesn't want to settle down, but he could.

[wldcatsprstr_14]

And the things like having his life endangered, having to regenerate a lot, etc, are his choice. So while I understand being angry sometimes, it's still not very fair. He doesn't want to settle down, but he could.

See, I honestly don't think he good. For all we fault the Doctor for his god complex, if he just up and said 'fuck it, I'm settling down and I'm not putting myself on the line to help any more people,' we'd all hate him and be pissed that he did. He essentially is a lonely god of sorts. He has that responsibility whether he wants it or not. So I don't think he can just settle. Being the last 'good guy' Timelord left means he doesn't have a choice to be 'neutral/ disinterested guy' Timelord. He's gotta be there because he's always been there. After 900 years, he couldn't just stop. The universe and all the people who know him wouldn't let him, including himself.

Saying 'Timelords are lucky' is a slippery slope. They're in a class all their own, completely different from any other species on the planet. Different rules, different problems, different baggage. To humans, who seem to want to prolong life as much as we can and have as much excitement in our lives as we can take, a TARDIS and the ability to regenerate instead of just dying would seem like the jackpot. But to someone for whom that's part and parcel, it seems to me that yearning for that normality and consistency and simplicity that comes with never changing and settling down is something that a person like the Doctor would eventually develop. The fact that he could never really have that...I think I'd go a little crazy too honestly if I had to deal with and see half the things he has.

[(Anonymous)]

I understand he has compelling reasons not to, but I think it is pretty simply true he COULD settle down. The option exists. The power exists to kill himself. The power exists to do this or do that if he ever felt it was too much of a burden. He's not forced to, he just feels personally responsible...which, again, is all him. Obviously wouldn't make for much of an interesting show...

But this is all in relation to him being angry towards Wilf unfairly. I'm not saying I don't understand and mostly agree. I'm saying his actions were uncalled for and ended Ten's arc on a poor note.

[wldcatsprstr_14]

Eh I'm gonna have to continue to disagree. Having the capability isn't the same as having the option. Sure, he was absolutely physically capable of stopping and settling down, just as I am physically capable of quitting my job and turning my back on anyone who depends on me. But because people depend on me to do what I do, I don't really have that option.

I agree with you that what he said was out of line and shouldn't have been said to someone. But I never really considered it as him really saying it to Wilf and I think the point was that Wilf understood that. The Doctor was literally raging against the dying light and he couldn't be taken in earnest at that time. Wilf knew that and I think we were supposed to see that too, as much as it upset us to hear those words seemingly directed at Wilf. Wilf was merely the vehicle of the Ten's destruction. I belief Ten would have raged at anyone who wasn't what he expected (i.e the Master).