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[ SECRET POST #2185 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2185 ⌋

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It was ... quite a bit too self-indulgent for me. Having watched the doctor regenerate 6 times with it generally taking only a few seconds from fatal incident to completed regeneration, it seemed out of character that 1) the doctor lived so long and was unable to save himself -- I mean, he took about two years to get around to dying. Couldn't he have like, found a healing pod or something and gotten better? And 2) He's done this so many times before, it's not like he's really dying, he's just regenerating. And 3) He never bothers to visit companions he's left, why is he catching up with old companions now? Especially if all he's going to do is gaze sadly at them. It's not as though he had projects to complete. Hell, after he regenerates he'll have all the time in the world to look in on them again.

I blame bad writing. It wasn't the Doctor's farewell, it was RTD saying good bye on screen to all his favorite creations.

There was a GIFset going around Tumblr (I know I know but hear me out) from one of the behind-the-scenes interviews, with Tennant saying he wasn't sure he made his swan song "emotional ENOUGH."

So. Yeah. It could have been WORSE. And was definitely way, way, way, outta line for meshing well with canon. I personally think NuWho is a really cracky, poorly-written fanfic AU. That's the only thing that allows me to retain my sanity in the face of its sheer awfulness.

Well, hmm, that might the problem, then. If Tennent is so unaware of how much emotion he's pumping into a scene, then that might explain why he is so Shatneresque on occasion.

Oh come on, why you gotta be like that? At least followup with the Ballad of Bilbo Baggins!! XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGF5ROpjRAU

Leonard Nemoy is so bouncy and happy, he is far more 11 like than 10ish.

mmh... I would be really interested in your opinion about 11's attitude in yesterday's christmas special.

(I haven't watched more than one season of classic who (yet!), but it seemed to me that after all this time, all these companions who probably had a fate a lot worse than Amy and Rory, his decision to never help anyone anymore ever was a bit... overreacting. Your thoughts? ~~Plus he was so immature gosh, it doesn't usually bother me about him but idk I wasn't in the mood I guess~~)

Am I ayrt?

I honestly couldn't hack the Christmas special, so I can't comment either way; I'm the nonny upthread who got to the "Those were the days." part and hit the Back button like it was on fire, LOL. Definitely had better things to do with my time.

his decision to never help anyone anymore

Oh, charming, I bet that upped Emo Eleven's face contortions to about a 20 on the Richter Scale ha ha.

ahah, no you weren't to one I was replying to -don't worry though, I love answers from anyone!

It was a pretty good christmas special, actually -if you could get over the Doctor's attitude (not an easy task!)
Oh, and Moffat started yet another Who-Is-River-Song-style mystery. (let's just hope it gets resolved faster this time)

I wrote it down below. I consider it to have been a Tennet worthy sulk and I sincerely hope he is over with it and ready to resume having adventures. He at least looked like at the end that he might be, though the grave scene visiting was kind of mark against it. I suppose it's more of a plea than an expectation that he's done being emo 11 and will go back to being the whimsical 11 that I liked.

But, yeah, suffice it to say, I loved everyone except the doctor in that episode. I would have been quite content to have it have simply been the Green lady and her wife who solved the problem.

Ah, well, he's probably going to be entirely over it since apparently Moffat decided no characterization was going to stick this season? (and most of the past ones, really.)

I'm with you that it'd had been nice to only have had Vastra (?) and her wife (and Starx! I liked him) if that's the Doctor we were going to have.

his decision to never help anyone anymore

Oh pfft. He's just miserable and insecure at the moment because of what happened to Amy and Rory. He'll get over it and laugh at himself for being a tool soon enough. Honestly, as much as his moping is annoying, I'd be waaaaaaaaay more pissed if he wasn't moping after what happened to the Ponds. Because that was kind of a huge deal and a really horrible thing to happen to his best friends, and if he wasn't moping he'd come off as a sociopath.

Of course, if the writers could stand to let the characters be happy, I wouldn't have to choose between "mopey and annoying" and "non-mopey and even more annoying". I could choose "non-mopey and awesome"! See? Wouldn't that be nice?

...wouldn't it?

....I'm waiting....

I miss "The Big Bang"

Ah, no, it's not what I said! Well, not exactly. I understand there is some moping to be expected after the loss of a companion. As I said, I haven't watched Classic Who, so I don't know in which circumstences Adric died or any other companion departed and the Doctor's reaction to that, but I assumed he had already seen much worse than 'lived a long and happy life with their significant other a few years back in the past'.

Was it mentionned in the episode how much time the Doctor had stayed there doing nothing? From what Vastra &co. were saying, I was under the impression it had started to be a while. As I said, it came to me as an overreaction. I would have understood, say, not wanting any more companions (then changing his mind! obviously!), but I thought that outright denying help to people who were in obvious danger was a (big!) step too sulky. ~~He made me think of the First Doctor. Hey, I loved the First Doctor okay, but I thought he had made some significant character development in about 800 years...~~

(Eh, I'm pretty sure you can do 'mopey and awesome'!)

Well, the thing is...the Doctor could "stay there and do nothing" for a hundred years, or five hundred years, and it wouldn't make a difference -- he's immortal and he has a time machine. He can be anywhere, at any time, if the TARDIS knows where to go.

River Song can get blasted out of an airlock one day and 5,000 years in the future, the Doctor can find out exactly when and where she got blasted out and materialize in the exact right place and time to save her. He can't miss things or be late for things or have events pass him by unless he lands there at the wrong time and then can't cross his own timeline (like what happened with Amy in his first episode).

So if his sulky mourning period is 10x longer than a human's, no one is actually gonna be harmed by his inaction unless the harm is happening at the same place and time as where he is.

Now, the effect staying there and doing nothing has on his own personal mental condition, on the other hand...that's a different story.

I understand the principle of a time machine, thank you. I never thought he would be 'late' for some disaster. I'm saying that sulking up in a corner for 'five hundred years' under the pretext that you can never be late is still being a crybaby and is an overreaction.

If he doesn't want to help people ever again (like he was in the beginning of the episode -and I knew it was obviously not going to stay that way, c'mon, but the Doctor, him, was still resolved to cry on his own fate forever.), well, in that case, yeah, he's going to miss all his disasters by just never showing up. (You know the Doctor is not forever, right? he can die, and if he's still in hermit-mode when it happens, I guess that qualify for 'too late'.)
(But that's not even the point of what I was saying. For my original complaint, refer to paragraph 1.)

Besides, Clara needed help at the same place and time as where he was so... your point? Yeah, he did help her in the end, but it obviously wasn't his intention at the beginning of the episode and wouldn't have done so if she hadn't stalked him.

((Are we just both talking to ourselves, saying whatever we want to say without really replying to what the other brings up and just repeating what we just said after the other one failed to pick up our point in their own obliviousness? Because I'm repeating myself into oblivion right now, and so do you. Maybe I'm not clear enough? If so, just say it, and I will try to clarify as much as I can.))

ayrt

I'm sorry, I was a different anon than the one you replied to the first time (I'm not the "oh pfft" anon.) I realize now I didn't mention that. I feel stupid. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I don't know what I said that made you so annoyed and I'm not sure if you're the other anon who replied to my comment or what exactly you want me to say.

I'm sorry. I knew I shouldn't have commented, even anon, because every time I comment something like this happens. I don't know how to talk and I apparently said something rude and I don't know what it was.

I'm sorry. I don't know what else to say. I'm sorry.

Oh, makes sense! I was annoyed because I thought you were the same anon as before (the "oh pfft" anon (who said they were waiting for my answer?)), not coming back on what they said in the light of what I added, but picking apart seemingly random parts of what I said to avoid following through the conversation.
But you're not them, so obviously not interested in the conversation in the same light, so it's normal you'd bring up some new points to what they said, or even drag the whole argument in an entirely new path!

Sorry I lost my cool! Please don't feel bad about this! I know what it is to feel reluctant to comment, even anonymously. There was absolutely nothing rude in your comment in itself. Really, the error is mine. (Though a mention you weren't the same anon would have helped, ahah!)

You better answer to me because that's my goal and dream and that's the best think you'll have ever done in your life and i genuinly thought this was an interesting conversation and I'll die from asphyxia if you don't.

RTD never asked for concrit

Stop being a jerk

And this is how I know that you don't know concrit is.

Seriously, let it go. You take this concrit argument way too seriously.

And this is how I know you couldn't take a joke about fanfic if it bit you in the kudos ticker

Seriously, get a grip

... are you trolling for lulz? Or is this some genuine grudge thing you have going. I'm honestly not sure.

I completely agree with everything you just said.

That and I didn't realise it was two years before he finally kicked the bucket. Oh my god...

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