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The whole "I imprinted on you like a baby duckling" thing is just so OTT and LOLtastic, I just...it seriously undermines the Doctor for me, because I'm just cackling too hard to pay anything else any attention, I'm sorry. (And I'm sorry they ever brought it up in NuWho.)

da

I was okay with it. I felt he was basically saying that he really appreciated Amy because she always had him. Basically her whole life has had the Doctor as a presence, so she's someone who grew up with him as a person of trust and love, even if he didn't know it. It was a new experience for him, because here's a person whose wanted him her whole life. I guess it was the same sort of appeal we saw with Reinette.

....you're seriously bringing Girl in the Fireplace as your defence of the "imprints like a duck" theory? Dude, you're not helping your case at all, LOL.

Uh...I don't think the Doctor meant it literally. And I wasn't supporting it as like a genetic predisposition. I was defending it in a metaphorical sense.

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Would you like some tissues for your superiority jizz, my sweet?

Nah, that's my bad nonny, I didn't realize you thought it was metaphorical; if only! It seemed very much to me like they meant it literally.....probably as a backlash to all the fans who wanted a more "alien" Doctor back. Which explains the emo...but still doesn't justify it IMO.

I don't know, I don't think they ever would have used the word 'imprint' seriously, considered what a bad reputation it has in fiction.

Well, they didn't say it, but the whole "You were the first face this face ever saw" is pretty much the definition of imprinting, at least from a biological perspective...but I take it you've never had ducklings follow you around IRL, anon? Because that ups the level of hilarity of DW suggesting it, by several orders of magnitude, let me tell you. :-D

Oh, I know it is. I'm just saying there's no precedent, it was a throwaway line, and it seemed more in the mood of being charming and conveying that she was special to him. At the time he was alone and miserable, so meeting and helping Amy was very important to him. I think he was basically saying "You're unforgettable".

Which would be all well and good, except unfortunately, the character was anything but.

da

Amy might have been forgettable to us, but I can see why she'd be unforgettable to the Doctor. The Doctor is not the same as us. Do you think that because we hated Peri and Mel, the Doctor did? Do you think that because we didn't really love Susan, the Doctor didn't? So I don't see why that line doesn't make sense for him to say, even if we don't feel the same way towards Amy.

Besides, Amy's origin story and characterization WAS pretty memorable. She just didn't get any proper development.

ayrt

...but I kind of liked Mel? (I know, I know.) I see your point, and it's not that the line doesn't make sense; it absolutely makes sense, within the context of the show.

It's just utterly ridiculous, and turns the show into little more than a cartoon, with some off-putting soap opera elements tacked onto it. ^shrug^ Just not my thing, sorry.

See, you keep stating that it makes the show a "soap opera" and "a cartoon", but...why? You don't give any reasons WHY. Can you give me a reason what's so soap opera-ish or cartoonish about the idea of a partially-formed personality that forms itself very fast being heavily shaped by its earliest new emotional connection? It seems more sci-fi-ish than anything to me.

sa

Ew and I just realized you're comparing kid Amy to the French courtesan. Not ok.

He met Reinette as a child, I hope you realized. And mistress was like a title back then, a place of power and position. She wasn't just a prostitute. Historically, Madame de Pompadour was a very intelligent, bright, charismatic woman.

Actually, the comparison goes deeper: he met her as a child who grew up with him as an imaginary character, then met her again later as a beautiful older woman who had the hots for him.

ayrt

Yeah, like I said, that was my bad, I wasn't getting the comparison; tbf I did try to block much of Girl in the Fireplace out of my mind, LOL. I can see where the comparisons are, but honestly, since I personally didn't like the concept in either series, it's not doing much for convincing me that's why Eleven is Emo Elmo, tbqh.

Neither am I a big fan of "Teh Doktar is TEH SECKSS!!!" mentality of NuWho, either. I much preferred it when it was a gen show that was (almost) OK for all ages. But that's just my own thing.

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